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Margaret Doughty, Atheist Seeking U.S. Citizenship, Told To Join Church Or Be Denied
Does anyone need more proof atheists are being persecuted?
Yes.
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She should become a Muslim. They have no problem lying to infidels.
How about the fact that even in Vermont, a liberal state, they removed the philosophical/ethical objection to vaccines (I'm for vaccines, btw.) but kept the religious objection, as if somehow a philosophical/ethical objection is less valid?
Or immigration should just accept her philosophical/ethical objection.
Well, most people rightly or wrongly would say that philosophical/ethical objection is less valid, or at least is only backed up by fashionable human opinion.
Atheism has the unique problem that as a religion, it lacks any possible divine authority.
I'm surprised this current Admin would have a problem with this. Become a Muslim and be looked upon favorably. 8)
Why? Obama isn't a Muslim.
If it were a religion then it could be used as a religious exemption. Vermont doesn't (nor should anyone) see atheism as a religion. Besides, government shouldn't be in the business of considering a possible god in its rulings.
Well, most people rightly or wrongly would say that philosophical/ethical objection is less valid, or at least is only backed up by fashionable human opinion.
Atheism has the unique problem that as a religion, it lacks any possible divine authority.
She isn't being denied citizenship because she's an atheist. She wants citizenship in a nation she is not willing to pledge to defend by force of arms. That's why she's being denied citizenship. She can claim conscientious objector status only if she can prove she belongs to a religious organization that is pacifist, because those are the rules.
Spinning a highly exceptional case as proof of persecution is juvenile.
Atheism is indeed a religion, and based wholly in faith. It is the quintessential religion, since it can offer no proof, only supposition, and that based in the idea that were there gods they must perform as the supplicant imagines. Basically, Atheism is a religion wherein man is god. It's cute in a way.
Perhaps she shouldn't have used her "spiritual and religious belief" as a justification to being a conscientious objector and refusing to sign the pledge of allegiance all immigrants are expected to sign? If you stand up and state you are claiming a religious and spiritual exemption then can you be really shocked that they then ask you for proof? Thats kinda like applying for a job using your "masters degree and doctorate in the field" as a qualification on an application and then being pissed that the potential employer says, OK...we are going to need to see your transcripts...
She didnt say "spiritual", she said "SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS".Well, can one not be spiritual without joining a church?
The DHS doesn't bother monitoring mosques.
She didnt say "spiritual", she said "SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS".
The lack of a belief in a god doesn't a religion make. I'd bet you don't believe in magical unicorns, yet I don't say you're a member of the Aunicornist religion.
And your defense is just a bull**** justification for her lying on her application and then being upset she was asked to offer proof of her lies.That's just a categorization for a list of exemptions.
A lack of belief is merely agnosticism.
An assertion about the ultimate nature of creation based wholly in a belief is a statement of religion. Even religions tend to have some evidence, even if those are just unreliable records of witness accounts.
A firm belief in the non-existence of God or gods is just that -- a belief. And since it a belief about religious concerns, it is perforce a religious belief.
As for unicorns, I have no opinion, I certainly have no belief in their non-existence. The Universe is vast. Unicorns are not any more unlikely to exist somewhere than peacocks here it seems to me.
And your defense is just a bull**** justification for her lying on her application and then being upset she was asked to offer proof of her lies.
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