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Marco Rubio: Nuke test evidence of failed leadership from Obama, Clinton

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It didn't take long for rubio to Blame Obama. :doh I wonder Rubio: What is your plan?
Marco Rubio: Hydrogen bomb test shows failed leadership - CNNPolitics.com
Sen. Marco Rubio responded to reports that North Korea successfully carrying out its first hydrogen bomb test Tuesday by calling it an example of what the 2016 hopeful sees as bad leadership from President Barack Obama.

"I have been warning throughout this campaign that North Korea is run by a lunatic who has been expanding his nuclear arsenal while President Obama stood idly by," the Florida Republican said in a statement issued late Tuesday night.
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Hasn't Obama been president for the last 7 years? Rubio doesn't need a plan, Obama does--and he doesn't.
 
Fletch said:
Hasn't Obama been president for the last 7 years? Rubio doesn't need a plan, Obama does--and he doesn't.
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Please elaborate on how this "nuke test" can be blamed on Obama? What should he do?
 
Ikari said:
Was any of this verified? I mean, NK saying it did something big doesn't really seem to be a trustworthy source. They're always saying crazy **** and pretending to be a bigger dog than they are.
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Good point, there's a good chance it might not be true, we'll have to wait and see. Will make this statement even more hilarious:
"I have been warning throughout this campaign that North Korea is run by a lunatic who has been expanding his nuclear arsenal while President Obama stood idly by," the Florida Republican said in a statement issued late Tuesday night.
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Well, as usual Rubio is taking a political opportunity to criticize Obama without offering much on what he would do about North Korea.

Problem is there is not much that can be done about North Korea now. Kim Jong-un is a lunatic and egomaniac, extremely dangerous and entirely untrustworthy to engage in terms of diplomacy. They are already fairly isolated, and believe themselves to still be in war to obtain South Korea from the US. The only option left is military engagement, which would be costly and disastrous. However, I suspect no matter who is in office there will be a continuation of a decades old stalemate and a permanent occupation of South Korea by US forces.

So, we can dismiss Rubio as simply mouthing off with no realistic plan himself to get North Korea to quit testing their military systems and nuclear ambitions.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Well, as usual Rubio is taking a political opportunity to criticize Obama without offering much on what he would do about North Korea.

Problem is there is not much that can be done about North Korea now. Kim Jong-un is a lunatic and egomaniac, extremely dangerous and entirely untrustworthy to engage in terms of diplomacy. They are already fairly isolated, and belief themselves to still be in war to obtain South Korea from the US. The only option left is military engagement, which would be costly and disastrous. However, I suspect no matter who is in office there will be a continuation of a decades old stalemate and a permanent occupation of South Korea by US forces.

So, we can dismiss Rubio as simply mouthing off with no realistic plan himself to get North Korea to quit testing their military systems and nuclear ambitions.
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It seems quite a few people take every opportunity to criticize Obama, blaming him for some of the most absurd things imaginable. Granted, this happens to every president, but it's a bit ridiculous. I mean, Obama has prevented North Korea from doing anything incredibly noticeable, and we don't even know if this is a real H-bomb that was successfully tested as of now. Rubio actually says this:
We need new leadership that will stand up to people like Kim Jong Un and ensure our country has the capabilities necessary to keep America safe."
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Ok Rubio, mind giving us some details on what you plan to do to deal with this lunatic?
 
Ikari said:
Was any of this verified? I mean, NK saying it did something big doesn't really seem to be a trustworthy source. They're always saying crazy **** and pretending to be a bigger dog than they are.
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Check the USGS for the 5.1 earthquake near the test site. Could be a coincidence?
 
WCH said:
Check the USGS for the 5.1 earthquake near the test site. Could be a coincidence?
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Could be indeed, but I do think that if they did test a fusion bomb, that we'll be able to confirm it. You can't set one of those things off without leaving behind evidence. So if they did, we'll be able to confirm it.

If NK did set off a fusion bomb, there's some serious questions. I don't know if it can go back to Obama and a lack of leadership, however, because NK couldn't have developed a weapon of this magnitude on their own. So now you're looking at outside help, which is likely China.
 
David_N said:
It seems quite a few people take every opportunity to criticize Obama, blaming him for some of the most absurd things imaginable. Granted, this happens to every president, but it's a bit ridiculous. I mean, Obama has prevented North Korea from doing anything incredibly noticeable, and we don't even know if this is a real H-bomb that was successfully tested as of now. Rubio actually says this:

We need new leadership that will stand up to people like Kim Jong Un and ensure our country has the capabilities necessary to keep America safe."
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Ok Rubio, mind giving us some details on what you plan to do to deal with this lunatic?
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It is just Rubio being Rubio during an election season where every point counts towards front runner Trump.

We both know that there is no such thing as "new leadership that will stand up to people like Kim Jong-un" *unless* he is also talking about yet more war. Stronger rhetoric, if there is such a thing, will probably just make Kim Jong-un laugh a little more. North Korea clearly does not fear us nor will a Republican President change all that much with North Korea.

According to the OP article, North Korea has been nuclear testing back to 2006. Who was President in 2006? Bush 43 sure as hell did not scare them into not testing or advancing their programs. Moreover, they have been "testing" conventional weapons and capability all along anyway. It is today's saber rattling, nothing more. Another bell that we cannot unring.

If anyone buys into Rubio's rhetoric about Obama on this, that speaks volumes about that voter.
 
Ikari said:
Could be indeed, but I do think that if they did test a fusion bomb, that we'll be able to confirm it. You can't set one of those things off without leaving behind evidence. So if they did, we'll be able to confirm it.

If NK did set off a fusion bomb, there's some serious questions. I don't know if it can go back to Obama and a lack of leadership, however, because NK couldn't have developed a weapon of this magnitude on their own. So now you're looking at outside help, which is likely China.
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China does not want to see a nuclear Korean Peninsula, this entire subject has pushed the governments farther apart.
 
Jetboogieman said:
China does not want to see a nuclear Korean Peninsula, this entire subject has pushed the governments farther apart.
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Which I'm hopeful is true, and if so, then it seems even more unlikely that NK could have a fusion bomb. But if they do, China would be the first place I'd turn to question how they were able to do so. They (NK) had trouble with fission, to make the jump to fusion would require outside help.
 
Jetboogieman said:
China does not want to see a nuclear Korean Peninsula, this entire subject has pushed the governments farther apart.
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Reasonable point, China has more to worry about in their own ambitions for control over everything from the Sea of Japan to the South China Sea to damn near Indonesia that would all change terms if North Korea continues on this path.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Reasonable point, China has more to worry about in their own ambitions for control over everything from the Sea of Japan to the South China Sea to damn near Indonesia that would all change terms if North Korea continues on this path.
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I theorize that China would replace the Kim regime if it could with folks more reasonable to their interests.

The truth is, NK is being kept as a buffer against the west, but having said that, China has far better relations with South Korea cause they have an excellent trading relationship, whereas North Korea is just a massive black hole of food and financial aid.

Supposedly behind the scenes China has pushed for economic reform in NK and to an extent, by my research... It may actually be occurring.

The more I read into it, the more I start to wonder, the visible changes I've seen in NK, expansion of private markets all around NK, the purges of top officials and the strong arm attempts of Kim Jong Un to seem threatening...

Could all this behind the scenes be a desperate attempt by him to stay in power against a tide of Elite backlash at reforms that his father would never have enacted...

I dunno, I wonder.

North Korea has fascinated me for years, I've read and watched all there is on it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I theorize that China would replace the Kim regime if it could with folks more reasonable to their interests.

The truth is, NK is being kept as a buffer against the west, but having said that, China has far better relations with South Korea cause they have an excellent trading relationship, whereas North Korea is just a massive black hole of food and financial aid.

Supposedly behind the scenes China has pushed for economic reform in NK and to an extent, by my research... It may actually be occurring.

The more I read into it, the more I start to wonder, the visible changes I've seen in NK, expansion of private markets all around NK, the purges of top officials and the strong arm attempts of Kim Jong Un to seem threatening...

Could all this behind the scenes be a desperate attempt by him to stay in power against a tide of Elite backlash at reforms that his father would never have enacted...

I dunno, I wonder.

North Korea has fascinated me for years, I've read and watched all there is on it.
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If you want a real treat, listen to NK apologists. They exist. Usually edgy teenagers living in the first world reading Kim Il Sung literature.
 
David_N said:
If you want a real treat, listen to NK apologists. They exist. Usually edgy teenagers living in the first world reading Kim Il Sung literature.
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I figured their would be, have yet to see it though.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I figured their would be, have yet to see it though.
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North Korea's overseas apologists dismiss 'propaganda' about torture, repression - World News
But Andy Brooks, a 63-year-old British communist, has one word to sum up such reports: “propaganda.”

He complained that “unsubstantiated claims” were “constantly thrown at the DPRK,” referring to North Korea's official name.

“People who visit come back with different stories,” he said.

'Everyone has a job'
Brooks, secretary-general of the U.K.’s New Communist Party, highlighted the recent visit to North Korea by “the American baseball man” – meaning retired basketball star Dennis Rodman.

“He didn’t see any of this and he’s certainly not a communist,” he said.
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Ikari said:
Could be indeed, but I do think that if they did test a fusion bomb, that we'll be able to confirm it. You can't set one of those things off without leaving behind evidence. So if they did, we'll be able to confirm it.

If NK did set off a fusion bomb, there's some serious questions. I don't know if it can go back to Obama and a lack of leadership, however, because NK couldn't have developed a weapon of this magnitude on their own. So now you're looking at outside help, which is likely China.
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China was the first to rebuke them so, they may have a stake in the development of any new weaponry.
 
Ikari said:
Could be indeed, but I do think that if they did test a fusion bomb, that we'll be able to confirm it. You can't set one of those things off without leaving behind evidence. So if they did, we'll be able to confirm it.

If NK did set off a fusion bomb, there's some serious questions. I don't know if it can go back to Obama and a lack of leadership, however, because NK couldn't have developed a weapon of this magnitude on their own. So now you're looking at outside help, which is likely China.
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I don't think China has any incentive or even want as far as helping NK build a fusion bomb. If anything, I think the Chinese leadership is annoyed with North Korea, which is why we've seen North Korea's rhetoric die down slightly the last few years. They are only interested in maintaining their relationship with North Korea to avoid instability and the avoidance of war at this point. They've publicly announced support as of 2013 for the nuclear disarmament of North Korea.
 
China is a smart and strategic country, they have no desire to go to war or have war on their doorsteps with anyone. Their main interests are purely economic at this point with over 1 billion citizens and the push for a higher quality of life. I think the relationship between China and NK is much lower at this point in history than at any other time, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were working behind the scenes to transition North Korea in a 100% direction from where they are at now.
 
Fletch said:
Hasn't Obama been president for the last 7 years? Rubio doesn't need a plan, Obama does--and he doesn't.
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David_N said:
Please elaborate on how this "nuke test" can be blamed on Obama? What should he do?
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Well? Fletch? What should Obama do? What should he have done?

It's just like with Russia invading-Ukraine-by-proxy: everyone on the Right was calling it a grand failure on Obama's part...but never once (other than half-hearted suggestions of "let's send in ground troops") did I hear them say what he shoulda done differently to forestall said invasion on Russia's doorstep.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Well? Fletch? What should Obama do? What should he have done?

It's just like with Russia invading-Ukraine-by-proxy: everyone on the Right was calling it a grand failure on Obama's part...but never once (other than half-hearted suggestions of "let's send in ground troops") did I hear them say what he shoulda done differently to forestall said invasion on Russia's doorstep.
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Would have happened no matter who was in office. People attribute the fall of the USSR to Reagan, but the USSR was already on the verge of falling apart anyway. Fact of the matter is there is much in the world that we have no control over.

What the United States IS good at doing though, and usually under Republican administrations, is destabilizing parts of the world to benefit their weapons contractor donors. 500,000 thousand dead Iraqi's and 4,000 dead American soldiers later and Cheney was able to make his prized company Halliburton $39.5 billion in the name of "freedom."
 
akrunner88 said:
Would have happened no matter who was in office. People attribute the fall of the USSR to Reagan, but the USSR was already on the verge of falling apart anyway. Fact of the matter is there is much in the world that we have no control over.

What the United States IS good at doing though, and usually under Republican administrations, is destabilizing parts of the world to benefit their weapons contractor donors. 500,000 thousand dead Iraqi's and 4,000 dead American soldiers later and Cheney was able to make his prized company Halliburton $39.5 billion in the name of "freedom."
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While I strongly agree with much of your second paragraph, I do give Reagan credit for winning the Cold War (and yes, I'm a progressive). I don't think that he had any kind of great, grand plan that was designed to bring down the USSR, but when he first took office, the USSR was NOT "on the verge of falling apart". More than anything, when it comes to the USSR, Reagan got lucky, stupidly lucky...as did we all. But Napoleon (is alleged to have) said, "I don't want a good general - I want a lucky one." And when it comes to a captain of a ship or the captain of the ship of state, he or she gets gets all the credit and all the blame for what happens on his or her watch...

...and even if it was only because of luck, Reagan still gets the credit.
 
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