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Man claims to have seen the afterlife

devildavid said:
Yet you express a belief that there isn’t any randomness happening in evolution. That is a belief, not a fact. It isn’t an example of critical thinking.
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I can't communicate on this level.

Try to suck in someone else.
 
noonereal said:
I can't communicate on this level.

Try to suck in someone else.
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You aren’t communicating at the special level you think you are. You claim something is a fact that isn’t. And it’s a fact just because you say so. Yeah, that is a special level.
 
Desert Storm said:
Atheists lead a sad, empty lifestyle
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No, they don’t. Atheism isn’t a lifestyle.

What is really sad are the lives of god believers who need to believe this to make themselves feel superior. For some reason they take the existence of atheists as a personal affront. I guess their belief alone doesn’t satisfy them.
 
Lisa said:
You are confusing religious belief with ethics. Religious belief is far from being ethical. Religion a ritualistic concept that protects people from having to think rationally about life, morality and death.
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Stalin killed millions in defense of a non-religious belief system. Was his materialism the result of his having thought rationally about life, morality and death?
 
Gordy327 said:
I never said it did. But science doesn't make things up either. Science follows the evidence to where it leads, not where one wants it to go.
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What is the evidence for the neurological explanation of NDEs that has been repeated on this thread? Is its originator, whoever that might be, doing anything but proffering a hypothesis? The hypothesis may satisfy you, but that's not scientific proof that NDEs do not exist.
 
Desert Storm said:
I've had an NDE (near-death experience) myself, and I can attest this article is pretty much spot on

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My best real dreams are always as I slip into unconscious at bedtime. The mind can relax and sift through shit.

The idea that it is a glimpse into God or His Realm is just plain ****ing stupid.




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Desert Storm said:
Whether it was done in 7,000 years or 7 billion years, it doesn't make any difference. Its still impossible for evolution to just randomly happen, it had have to have been by design.

It takes thousands of chemical reactions just so your eyes can see. It takes another thousand reactions for your ears to hear.

And you're going to tell me this all happened by accident??!!
LOL .... you atheists are funny 🤣
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There is a third possibility outside the bounds of both religiously-conceived design and materialistic evolution:

"...at the high risk of saying something that might be related to the subject of consciousness, the persistent decoherence of persistently propagating superpositions of quantum possibility amplitudes such that the decoherent alternative becomes actualized as the now classical choice does have at least the feel of mind acting on matter. Perhaps cells "prehend" their adjacent possible quantum mechanically, decohere, and act classically. Perhaps there is an internal perspective from which cells know their world."-- Stuart Kauffman, INVESTIGATIONS, p. 150.
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Kauffman's theory of "coevolution" provides a hypothesis that might speak to evolutionary changes that seem uncannily targeted to certain advantageous results, like insect mimicry. Standard Darwinism claims that a fly that originally doesn't look like a bee just shuffles genes around randomly and happens at some point to luck onto the appearance of a bee, which then optimizes the bee-like fly's chances of surviving and becomes the bee-fly's new genetic pattern, so that all or most critters in the species recapitulate that successful pattern. Kauffman's idea of prehension-- the term is borrowed from Whitehead-- reduces the Darwinian dependence on sheer chance, that the fly just goes through thousands of random changes until hitting on the combination that works.
 
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Bodi said:
My best real dreams are always as I slip into unconscious at bedtime. The mind can relax and sift through shit.

The idea that it is a glimpse into God or His Realm is just plain ****ing stupid.
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Relaxing and slipping into unconscious is not the same as an OBE or NDE.

Like, not even close
 
Ouroboros said:
What is the evidence for the neurological explanation of NDEs that has been repeated on this thread? Is its originator, whoever that might be, doing anything but proffering a hypothesis? The hypothesis may satisfy you, but that's not scientific proof that NDEs do not exist.
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No one is saying NDEs doesn't exist. There are rational, physiological explanations for them. It's the claims of the reported metaphysical being actually real that is questionable.
 
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