Man charged for shooting when cops went to wrong house

[Black Dog]

Here is another case of a botched raid at the wrong house that almost got someone killed. The gall of the police and the first judge to actually charge the man for the "Crime" of protecting himself from unidentified assailants is part of the problem of the police policing themselves.


It's good to see that a jury of his peers found the police reckless and the man innocent in only 47 minutes.


But it begs the question, If armed men who happened to be police raid your home or trespass without identifying themselves, shine a laser sight on your chest, if you shoot and kill that threat, should you be tried for murder, or should the cops be disciplined for imporper conduct?


What say you? [/FONT][/COLOR]

I would not fire blindly through a door. It's one of the primary rules of gun safety to "always be sure of your target and what is beyond it." Now if a red dot hit me in the chest... All bets are off as that is an immediate threat to my person. So in this case the man was justified. I can't however get behind just blindly firing through a door or the police being so reckless.

Charge them both and let the courts decide.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

So you are all about breaking one of the most important rules of gun ownership and safety. Firing at an un known object, unknown back stop, through a barrier.
Good to know. You don't happen to live in Florida do you?

Not what i said. He saw folks in black trying to break in. Mever identified at cops.


Show em your teeth or your belly? We have your answer.



lol and **** bro, cops cant shoot the wrong person in the back and your type defends them. Id argue he did far nore "target identification" than those cops who shot that guy in the back in my other thread. Jeesh

 

[Ikari]

Again, you are attempting to put words in my mouth.
Castle Doctrines do not give you free reign to blast away with out due diligence.

They do give license, though, if the property owner feels they are under legitimate threat. Attempted breaking and entry, and lighting one up with laser dots would reasonably produce such feeling.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

They do give license, though, if the property owner feels they are under legitimate threat. Attempted breaking and entry, and lighting one up with laser dots would reasonably produce such feeling.

No no no. Silly, a laser aiming device and black ninja suits isnt "identification" enuff!

 

[CRUE CAB]

They do give license, though, if the property owner feels they are under legitimate threat. Attempted breaking and entry, and lighting one up with laser dots would reasonably produce such feeling.

What would you do? Just stand there with a red dot on your chest or at least step out of the aim?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I would not fire blindly through a door. It's one of the primary rules of gun safety to "always be sure of your target and what is beyond it." Now if a red dot hit me in the chest... All bets are off as that is an immediate threat to my person. So in this case the man was justified. I can't however get behind just blindly firing through a door or the police being so reckless.

Charge them both and let the courts decide.

Not sure where you all got i said to shoot blindly lol. The ninja suits and the laser sights along with the attempt to enter and failure to identify is enough "identify the target" to me.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Not what i said. He saw folks in black trying to break in. Mever identified at cops.


Show em your teeth or your belly? We have your answer.



lol and **** bro, cops cant shoot the wrong person in the back and your type defends them. Id argue he did far nore "target identification" than those cops who shot that guy in the back in my other thread. Jeesh

LOL, I guess you just start firing away. 99% of the time he would be dead today. He was lucky.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

LOL, I guess you just start firing away. 99% of the time he would be dead today. He was lucky.

No actually i'd retrear to cover, setup behind a "fatal funnel" for those mother****ers to have to traverse.

 

[CRUE CAB]

No actually i'd retrear to cover, setup behind a "fatal funnel" for those mother****ers to have to traverse.

I said take cover three times at least and no one liked that idea. So, its just a circular cop hate argument at this point.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I said take cover three times at least and no one liked that idea. So, its just a circular cop hate argument at this point.

No one faulted you for wanting to "take cover" give it a rest

 

[Black Dog]

Not sure where you all got i said to shoot blindly lol. The ninja suits and the laser sights along with the attempt to enter and failure to identify is enough "identify the target" to me.

I was talking about the actual story? “You cannot fire indiscriminately through the window,” I just replaced window with door.

In the US if I see a group of "ninja suits" I know they are police. You don't see bands of roving ninja's breaking into peoples homes in the US, lol. I don't however expect everyone to know this.

I stand by my initial statement.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I was talking about the actual story? “You cannot fire indiscriminately through the window,” I just replaced window with door.

In the US if I see a group of "ninja suits" I know they are police. You don't see bands of roving ninja's breaking into peoples homes in the US, lol. I don't however expect everyone to know this.

I stand by my initial statement.

I thought he saw them from a window, had lasets pointed at him, yelled and didnt get a response?

As for assuming that ninjas are cops, i wouldnt make such an assumption myself.

Intruder killed despite wearing body armor - News - Roanoke Rapids Daily Herald


4 man criminal "assault team". Body armour etc. its not guaranteed to be a cop

 

[Thrilla]

well, i have serious question about our police and their paramilitary raids....it seems as they are a bit too common for my tastes, and there is no real reason for them to continue ( except for such things like hostage situations and similar emergencies)... with a lil patience and smarts, the bad guys can be taken down without all the paramilitary john wayne bull****.

in any event, the onus is on the state to act properly... if they screw up the raid in any manner, I think they bear the brunt of the responsibility for anything that goes wrong...
from all accounts, they botched the raid pretty badly and,IMO, homeowner shouldn't be held criminally liable for actions the State instigated with their improperly handled raid.
they shouldn't have been there, they screwed it all up... and the homeowner reacted to the specific wrongful actions of the officers.

at the end of the day... justice was served properly in this case..

 

[Black Dog]

I thought he saw them from a window, had lasets pointed at him, yelled and didnt get a response?

As for assuming that ninjas are cops, i wouldnt make such an assumption myself.

Intruder killed despite wearing body armor - News - Roanoke Rapids Daily Herald


4 man criminal "assault team". Body armour etc. its not guaranteed to be a cop

Body armor is not what I was talking about. Please point out where I said anything about body armor? You said "ninja suits" which is a close approximation of typical police assault uniforms.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

well, i have serious question about our police and their paramilitary raids....it seems as they are a bit too common for my tastes, and there is no real reason for them to continue ( except for such things like hostage situations and similar emergencies)... with a lil patience and smarts, the bad guys can be taken down without all the paramilitary john wayne bull****.

in any event, the onus is on the state to act properly... if they screw up the raid in any manner, I think they bear the brunt of the responsibility for anything that goes wrong...
from all accounts, they botched the raid pretty badly and,IMO, homeowner shouldn't be held criminally liable for actions the State instigated with their improperly handled raid.
they shouldn't have been there, they screwed it all up... and the homeowner reacted to the specific wrongful actions of the officers.

at the end of the day... justice was served properly in this case..

Its a good example how the system is fixed. If not for the mistrial and the juries rapid acquittal he would be in prison for defending himself from an armed assault.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Body armor is not what I was talking about. Please point out where I said anything about body armor? You said "ninja suits" which is a close approximation of typical police assault uniforms.

It was the quickest example i could find im on my phone.


Point being criminals have impersonated cops in the past.

 

[Thrilla]

LOL, I guess you just start firing away. 99% of the time he would be dead today. He was lucky.

I wouldn't start firing until I decided there was an imminent threat to defend myself against.... dudes with guns sighting in on me through a window is a pretty ****ing imminent threat, in my book.....well, unless it's through a bulletproof window that i feel safe behind.

firing through a door is a bit difference, because..well.. you can't see through a door and you can't properly discern an imminent threat....however ,windows are usually transparent, at least in my house.

he probably is lucky... he's lucky these particular cops are incompetent.

 

[Thrilla]

Body armor is not what I was talking about. Please point out where I said anything about body armor? You said "ninja suits" which is a close approximation of typical police assault uniforms.

bottom picture.. guy on the right... how do you know he's a cop?

I see that cat in my backyard sighting his weapon in on me through my window... there's gonna be an incident of some sort or another:lol:

 

[Lutherf]

In the US if I see a group of "ninja suits" I know they are police. You don't see bands of roving ninja's breaking into peoples homes in the US, lol. I don't however expect everyone to know this.

I stand by my initial statement.

That would be a poor assumption.

Out here it's not unheard of for "rip crews" to be decked out in military type apparel. That's actually part of their scheme in that they want their victim to think he's being raided by the cops instead of a fellow criminal. In some cases they'll even have vests and hats with pretty official looking markings.

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Take a guess, are the guys in this pic cops or not?

 

[Black Dog]

It was the quickest example i could find im on my phone.


Point being criminals have impersonated cops in the past.

Yes they have. I however feel good in my ability to tell the difference which is why I said I don't expect everyone to do this.

 

[Black Dog]

That would be a poor assumption.

Out here it's not unheard of for "rip crews" to be decked out in military type apparel. That's actually part of their scheme in that they want their victim to think he's being raided by the cops instead of a fellow criminal. In some cases they'll even have vests and hats with pretty official looking markings.

Yes a .01 crime.

I already addressed this. I don't have the time to live in fear or paranoia about crime.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Yes they have. I however feel good in my ability to tell the difference which is why I said I don't expect everyone to do this.

I think everyone has a plan until the first .556 wizzes by my friend.

 

[Black Dog]

bottom picture.. guy on the right... how do you know he's a cop?

I see that cat in my backyard sighting his weapon in on me through my window... there's gonna be an incident of some sort or another:lol:

So? Don't care what YOU would do.

 

[Black Dog]

I think everyone has a plan until the first .556 wizzes by my friend.

Who said I have a plan? I don't. Being I was an LEO and work with these units, I am pretty secure in my person. I am unlike libertarians, not worried about the government coming for me on purpose or by accident.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Who said I have a plan? I don't. Being I was an LEO and work with these units, I am pretty secure in my person. I am unlike libertarians, not worried about the government coming for me on purpose or by accident.

It's all good. i'm not going to be raided anytime soon. LEO today is far more tactical "warrior cop" than your day i would bet. We should go back to that.

Stop using swat for routine law enforcement. End the 1033 program.