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He's a big fat hypocrite, that's how.talloulou said:Tom Leykis......gross. He occasionally says some very truthful things but it's so wrapped up in his general objectivity of women that the wisdom gets lost. Plus he is so judgemental when it comes to what a woman should look like that I expected him to be hot. How could you be sooo ugly and so judgemental with the physical appearance of others??? I don't know but you can!
vergiss said:Wait, so a man needn't have responsibility forced upon him, but the woman does?
easyt65 said:I believe a man should step up and take responsibility, but this BS attitude is one I can not stand! For women, don't mean to sound sourse or un-caring, but if you don't want to risk getting pregnant, abstain or use protection - don't be irresponsible and then use abortion like a post-sex contraceptive. If you do have unprotected sex, do not climb up on this soapbox Vergiss did and declare that this 'responsibility was FORCED upon you'. That is a lie because you had a choice before you did the deed!
easyt65 said:Twist the scenario a little: Husband and wife have consensual sex, the wife decides the husband has no right to know about the baby or any right to having a say in the matter (choice), so she cuts him out of the picture and has the abortion.
easyt65 said:NOW, this same person insists on the SAME couple meeting at a bar, going to one's home, having consensual sex, the woman getting pregnant, then taking the responsibility of choice upon herself once again for all concerned parties by deciding she will keep the baby and forcing the man, who may not and never did want the baby, to pay child support for the next 18 years or so, whether he wants to or not.
easyt65 said:I believe a man should step up and take responsibility, but this BS attitude is one I can not stand!
easyt65 said:That is a lie because you had a choice before you did the deed!
Korimyr the Rat said:I do not think her moral obligation to her husband or to their marriage is strong enough to override her right to decide whether or not she will carry the child. If the father wishes to have any parental rights in regard to her children-- whether they are sired by him or not-- he should have to reach an agreement with her, either by registering a custody agreement or by marrying her.
easyt65 said:In regards to having any say so in child birth within a marriage, I believe that marrying the woman IS an agreement...
easyt65 said:In regards to a woman having sole decision-making authority on whether to carry the child or to abort the child, I have often wondered if it is 'smart' to make legislation declaring only SHE gets to have any say.
easyt65 said:I also have a problem with the courts and assigning guardianship of children to one parent or another in a divorce, which is majorly in the woman's favor.
Do you know the name of this judge?easyt65 said:They got a divorce, but the female judge awarded the kids to the mother (citing a maternal connection and stronger need for a 'mother's love' :shock: ) as well as alimony and child support. EXCUSE ME?! :doh But THAT is best left for some other thread, different topic!
But how is that related to a global religion?Jerry said:That reminds me.......steen......
Regarding my claim about a global religion being Luciferian, anyone interested in exactly who and what luciferianism is, would be well informed should they listen to the interview of Aaron Donahue from Feb. 26th. on Coast-to-Coast-AM.
This guy is the real deal. No hocus-pocus psy-b.s.
A must listen for every Jew, Christian, Muslim and Hindu.
OK. Agreed. I will reword to "religious." (And there are Muslim creationists as well. One was pulled into the KS hearings).P.S., steen,
The lie about how man came to be?....."Donahue believes Lucifer is the "father of the human race" -- an entity that genetically manipulated mankind from primates."
Remember that next time you want to insist that I.D. is only a Christian creation. Christians are, obviously, very against this guy and Luciferianism, yet he espouses I.D. Donahue has scientific evidence lined up to back up his claims, though all that he has released so far are his winning lottery numbers.
Huh? At risk? You are not making sense.It is because of people like this why people like me are acclimating ourselves to being insulted by people like you for not believing scientific proofs. These scientific proofs will appear to be irrefutable. Yet people like me will not accept them, while people like you are at risk.
talloulou said:From the article:
"The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose."
I absolutely 100% agree and yet if they were to fix this injustice either men would be able to force women into having abortions or men would be able to just "opt out", which I'm sure they would do in droves, placing a whole bunch more people on welfare!
That's why both men and women must take responsibilty for their sexual actions. Opting out is irresponsible, selfish, and cowardly. At some point you just have to pay the piper and deal with the consequences of your actions.
And if you think it's unfair to women because they have to carry the baby...tough. When a couple wants a child the women carries the baby and considers it a privilege!
SO instead, you oppose abortions which then ALSO results in more people on welfare. That is plain dumb and illogical.talloulou said:I absolutely 100% agree and yet if they were to fix this injustice either men would be able to force women into having abortions or men would be able to just "opt out", which I'm sure they would do in droves, placing a whole bunch more people on welfare!
Why? If you have to opportunity to evade an unwanted outcome, why shouldn't you be given that chance? What is it with you fundie punitive types who delight in others suffering?That's why both men and women must take responsibilty for their sexual actions. Opting out is irresponsible, selfish, and cowardly.
yes, have an abortion.At some point you just have to pay the piper and deal with the consequences of your actions.
And if they don't, then she doesn't. What significance did that lame argument have?And if you think it's unfair to women because they have to carry the baby...tough. When a couple wants a child the women carries the baby and considers it a privilege!
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