Partisan
Banned
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2009
- Messages
- 3,629
- Reaction score
- 435
- Location
- LIBTARDISTAN
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Undisclosed
Uh, what is and what is not a felony is already established in law regardless of the nature and quality of the counselor before the bench.
A good lawyer can plead down a charge. Killers plead down to manslaughter kinda thing.Uh, what is and what is not a felony is already established in law regardless of the nature and quality of the counselor before the bench.
Just remember, those same people will be walking our streets again someday. How much more anger and hate for the system do you really want to instill in them, when they one day approach you in a dark parking lot. "Treat people fair and square", and they will recognize it, and not go postal as easily on somebody.---many people or one slap in face from going ballistic as it is.O.K We should simply "coddle: these folks and make sure they get the shrink help they need-which probably will not work if they are not interested. Do you know how many people out here need therapy that cannot afford to go? Sure. Lets baby these jerks, try to see what is going on in their mind, feed em, give em clothes, etc. In the meantime there are law abiding citizens who could use this help more than these low life scums that will be back.
Forgive me if I do not feel a coddle is the right way to go about handling someone who ends up in jail. Forgive me if I really do not want them sucking on my taxdollar teet.
O.K We should simply "coddle: these folks and make sure they get the shrink help they need-which probably will not work if they are not interested. Do you know how many people out here need therapy that cannot afford to go? Sure. Lets baby these jerks, try to see what is going on in their mind, feed em, give em clothes, etc. In the meantime there are law abiding citizens who could use this help more than these low life scums that will be back.
Forgive me if I do not feel a coddle is the right way to go about handling someone who ends up in jail. Forgive me if I really do not want them sucking on my taxdollar teet.
O.K We should simply "coddle: these folks and make sure they get the shrink help they need-which probably will not work if they are not interested. Do you know how many people out here need therapy that cannot afford to go? Sure. Lets baby these jerks, try to see what is going on in their mind, feed em, give em clothes, etc. In the meantime there are law abiding citizens who could use this help more than these low life scums that will be back.
Forgive me if I do not feel a coddle is the right way to go about handling someone who ends up in jail. Forgive me if I really do not want them sucking on my taxdollar teet.
Remind me to bring you a pie, if you slip up, and have to do a little time.---Just remember, it is for your own good. :mrgreen:You know, a lot of folks are saying that prison should be to reform and rehabilitate. In the perfect world, I suppose, it would be. It should be. In some cases it is. But in most cases it's not.
And that's just terrible. Boo-hoo-hoo...
Instead, it's a place where the dregs of society are stored away for the good of the whole. Now, locked away, instead of being a predatory nucience upon a law abiding society, they become a predatory nucience on a preditory nucience society. This makes them to have to sharpen their skills a bit. Maybe even their claws.
There's your rehabilitation. Read 'em and weep.
I think prison should be for punishment, first and foremost. And I make NO apologies for it. I think, in our touchy-feely society, by the time a dreg FINALLY makes it to the BIG house, he's a worthless piece of nothing. If he were to be kept alive for any reason at all it should be for forced labor or some other purpose meant only to benefit the society he had been deemed unworthy to live amongst.
But that's just me.
Remind me to bring you a pie, if you slip up, and have to do a little time.---Just remember, it is for your own good. :mrgreen:
Remind me to bring you a pie, if you slip up, and have to do a little time.---Just remember, it is for your own good. :mrgreen:
Just remember, those same people will be walking our streets again someday. How much more anger and hate for the system do you really want to instill in them, when they one day approach you in a dark parking lot. "Treat people fair and square", and they will recognize it, and not go postal as easily on somebody.---many people or one slap in face from going ballistic as it is.
"Do onto others" comes to mind---but that is old fashion thinkin, in the day of the Ipod.
I saw a documentary on methamphetamine in California a couple years ago. Nearly all the meth makers they interviewed learned the trade in prison. Finally, another documentary showed how pretty much the only way for a white guy to survive in some prisons was to join a white supremacist gang. The gangs were then extremely adept at making sure that the new member, long after leaving prison, could never, ever leave the gang, often with his own families being threatened as retaliation for leaving.
With drugs, gangs, and the brutal treatment of weaker inmates, it's kind of hard not to imagine quite a lot of people ending up much less socially adjusted than before. As I said in the Madoff thread, I have little sympathy for those who habitually prey on other people, but when those who are reformable receive the same brutal treatment as those who sociopathic (and when in fact the prison life even rewards those same sociopaths), the system has failed.
I've never been to Prison. but I have spent a little time in the County jail, and the City Jail. --Usually based on not having money to get things taken care of like I should have. No Auto insurance is the big one.---city Jail, for Skating on the Streets. --I'm not a criminal, I just screw up from time to time.So what did you do, slip up while skating?
Well, they say don't do the crime if you ain't got the time. Although I ain't no saint, it don't take a ===) up my ( * ) to get me back in line. I ain't got the time.
And it really isn't that much of a chore to keep myself from criminal behavior. Some people almost seem predisposed to be career criminals and just can't seem to help themselves. For whatever reasons.
In our forgiving society, where people get off with little slaps on the wrist for crimes that should keep them from the light of day, I am of the opinion that by the time a convict makes it the serious prison, he just might as well stay there forever.
I've never been to Prison. but I have spent a little time in the County jail, and the City Jail. --Usually based on not having money to get things taken care of like I should have. No Auto insurance is the big one.---city Jail, for Skating on the Streets. --I'm not a criminal, I just screw up from time to time.
Well, they say don't do the crime if you ain't got the time. Although I ain't no saint, it don't take a ===) up my ( * ) to get me back in line. I ain't got the time.
And it really isn't that much of a chore to keep myself from criminal behavior. Some people almost seem predisposed to be career criminals and just can't seem to help themselves. For whatever reasons.
In our forgiving society, where people get off with little slaps on the wrist for crimes that should keep them from the light of day, I am of the opinion that by the time a convict makes it the serious prison, he just might as well stay there forever.
I went to County Jail, like 30 years ago, (wow that long?) and when I got out, I kept my ID wrist tag on for like a week or so. Just in case things got any worse for me on the streets. I knew where I could go, to play checkers and watch TV, with food and a hot shower, in air conditioned comfort. . County was better than where I was at the time.I've known people who have done time at several of our local jails for minor offenses. Anyone who can manage to emerge from their stay as a guest at any of our lovely local "accommodations", while retaining his/her sanity and sense of humor, has my respect.
Jail should be a reform aparatus, and the elimination of drug offenders would do wonders in that regard.
Prevention is the key---punishment after the fact, is no different than crying over spilled milk.I agree wholeheartedly, if you are referring to legalizing some substances that are now illegal. Casual drug users are taking up prison space unnecessarily. I believe resources for incarceration would be better suited for much more dangerous criminals than the dingaling from the video store that likes to smoke his weed after work on Friday nights.
I would just like to add that I'd like to see more preventative measures taken with children that are considered at high risk of taking part in criminal activity.
Instead of trying to "cure" the problem once it's occurred and thusly harder than hell to succeed in rehabilitation at that point - prevent the problem from occurring to begin with.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?