Make America Great Again. When and how will we know if it's happening? What are the metrics we are using to measure?

[bongsaway]

So, how do we tell how trump is doing about making america great again? How do we measure his performance?

 

[SkyChief]

How do we measure his performance?

Here are some metrics I use when evaluating the performance of a president:

• Crime rate (lower is better)
• Number of Illegal border crossings (lower is better)
• Number of deportations (higher is better)
• Number of "hot" wars the U.S. is fighting (lower is better)
• Number of Americans dependent on government handouts (lower is better)
• Quality of U.S. Supreme Court appointees confirmed
• Ability to use diplomacy to quell foreign conflicts
• Ability to keep lines of communication open with foreign adversaries
• Inflation rate (using 2% as a target benchmark)

Compared to the last president (#046), Trump is crushing it. Compared to the past 5 U.S. presidents, Trump is probably somewhere in the middle of the pack.

 

[Cameron]

Here are some metrics I use when evaluating the performance of a president:

• Crime rate (lower is better)
• Number of Illegal border crossings (lower is better)
• Number of deportations (higher is better)
• Number of "hot" wars the U.S. is fighting (lower is better)
• Number of Americans dependent on government handouts (lower is better)
• Quality of U.S. Supreme Court appointees confirmed
• Ability to use diplomacy to quell foreign conflicts
• Ability to keep lines of communication open with foreign adversaries
• Inflation rate (using 2% as a target benchmark)

Compared to the last president (#046), Trump is crushing it. Compared to the past 5 U.S. presidents, Trump is probably somewhere in the middle of the pack.

I think you would support him regardless of the numbers on any of those things. All MAGA really cares about is the culture war, and in that respect Trump is doing more than any president before him. Which is why he remains so popular with the right-wing base, notwithstanding his abject failure in basically every policy area and constant constitutional violations.

 

[ataraxia]

Here are some metrics I use when evaluating the performance of a president:

• Crime rate (lower is better)
• Number of Illegal border crossings (lower is better)
• Number of deportations (higher is better)
• Number of "hot" wars the U.S. is fighting (lower is better)
• Number of Americans dependent on government handouts (lower is better)
• Quality of U.S. Supreme Court appointees confirmed
• Ability to use diplomacy to quell foreign conflicts
• Ability to keep lines of communication open with foreign adversaries
• Inflation rate (using 2% as a target benchmark)

Compared to the last president (#046), Trump is crushing it. Compared to the past 5 U.S. presidents, Trump is probably somewhere in the middle of the pack.

It’s also nice not to have a convicted felon and rapist running the country telling people to go running around chasing after cat eating Haitians, cancer causing wind turbines, and autism-causing vaccines.

 

[bongsaway]

Here are some metrics I use when evaluating the performance of a president:

• Crime rate (lower is better)
• Number of Illegal border crossings (lower is better)
• Number of deportations (higher is better)
• Number of "hot" wars the U.S. is fighting (lower is better)
• Number of Americans dependent on government handouts (lower is better)
• Quality of U.S. Supreme Court appointees confirmed
• Ability to use diplomacy to quell foreign conflicts
• Ability to keep lines of communication open with foreign adversaries
• Inflation rate (using 2% as a target benchmark)

Compared to the last president (#046), Trump is crushing it. Compared to the past 5 U.S. presidents, Trump is probably somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Crime had been going down before trump was elected. The shit he is pulling is a stunt for folks like you and you eat it up. Do you know the actual number of border crossings or are you just taking trump's word for things?
Deporting brown folks, good.
Trump bombed Iran, an act of war.
Yeah, we on the right don't like poor people, we just like their votes for us.
Supreme court, you mean trump appointees, right.
Trump wouldn't know the first thing about diplomacy, his current speech at the U.N. should prove that to you.
Please, trump doesn't communicate unless he's threatening something or somebody.
Inflation is almost three percent.

 

[bongsaway]

I think you would support him regardless of the numbers on any of those things. All MAGA really cares about is the culture war, and in that respect Trump is doing more than any president before him. Which is why he remains so popular with the right-wing base, notwithstanding his abject failure in basically every policy area and constant constitutional violations.

Seems he forgot to mention 'owning the libs' which is what trump's popularity is really all about.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Uber rich people get uberer and richerer.

 

[Cameron]

Here are some metrics that I think would actually demonstrate that America is becoming "great again":

Higher school graduation rates
Better quality education
Lower individual debt, including student debt
Low unemployment
Low, healthy, stable inflation
High GDP
Less extreme disparity of wealth (i.e., stronger, bigger middle class)
Greater economic mobility between classes
More opportunities for less privileged
Lower health care costs (while maintaining high standard of care)
Financially stable social programs (e.g., Social Security)
Balanced budget
Less internal division (social cohesion/tolerance)
Less racism/sexism/bigotry
Dignified leaders who respect the constitution
Increased respect for America around the world
More demand for American talent and advice around the world
Spread of democracy around the world

 

[CLAX1911]

So, how do we tell how trump is doing about making america great again? How do we measure his performance?

When you no longer want to live here.

 

[Cameron]

When you no longer want to live here.

Now there's an honest MAGA post.

 

[CLAX1911]

Now there's an honest MAGA post.

Yep when all the anti-rights types should be afraid to send foot here when they are that means we're great. We have separated the wheat from the chaff. The dress is removed the impurities taken out.

 

[yankintx]

Make America Great Again implies that at one time America was great.

When exactly was America last great? The year, even a decade?

I have asked the question often, and not one Trump aupporter has given an answer.

 

[CLAX1911]

Here are some metrics that I think would actually demonstrate that America is becoming "great again":

Higher school graduation rates
Better quality education
Lower individual debt, including student debt
Low unemployment
Low, healthy, stable inflation
High GDP
Less extreme disparity of wealth (i.e., stronger, bigger middle class)
Greater economic mobility between classes
More opportunities for less privileged
Lower health care costs (while maintaining high standard of care)
Financially stable social programs (e.g., Social Security)
Balanced budget
Less internal division (social cohesion/tolerance)
Less racism/sexism/bigotry
Dignified leaders who respect the constitution
Increased respect for America around the world
More demand for American talent and advice around the world
Spread of democracy around the world

So essentially undo everything the left has done for the past 30 years Donald Trump is trying he's only one man and he only has 3 years in a couple of months left.

 

[CLAX1911]

Make America Great Again implies that at one time America was great.

It was. It can be again. If people live here and they don't think it was ever great then they're part of the reason why it's not.

When exactly was America last great? The year, even a decade?

1795 to about 1980

I have asked the question often, and not one Trump aupporter has given an answer.

I just did.

 

[Cameron]

So essentially undo everything the left has done for the past 30 years Donald Trump is trying he's only one man and he only has 3 years in a couple of months left.

Lol, Trump has actively made every single one of those metrics worse.

 

[Cameron]

Yep when all the anti-rights types should be afraid to send foot here when they are that means we're great. We have separated the wheat from the chaff. The dress is removed the impurities taken out.

"Anti-rights types" like the ones ok with the government going after law firms, universities, news organizations, and other entities for their speech and association, or seizing and deporting people with no process to foreign gulags? I agree that America will be better when the many conservative bigots who don't believe in the equal protection clause or the separation of church and state voluntarily decide to leave for more ideologically suitable countries like Russia and Iran.

 

[CLAX1911]

Lol, Trump has actively made every single one of those metrics worse.

At the moment sure. He is both trying to fix things and trying to hold off the enemy of the State and the people as well.

So if the enemy within were not to be within anymore America would be great again.

 

[Cameron]

1795 to about 1980

Funny, the downward slide of America (in your view) seems to correlate with the rise of Republican control of Congress and State legislatures.



Republicans have also controlled the Presidency more than Democrats since 1980.

 

[CLAX1911]

"Anti-rights types"

Anybody who supports gun control is anti rights.

like the ones ok with the government going after law firms, universities, news organizations, and other entities for their speech and association,

Criminal speech and corrupt associations sure that's what the government is supposed to do stop sedition the right to assembly in the right to free speech doesn't include undermining your country.

or seizing and deporting people with no process to foreign gulags?

Foreign Invaders being determined to be for an Invaders and have no rightful claim to be here have had all the process that they're due and must be thrown out never to return.

To think that we must keep these Invaders means you hate Americans because you want them displaced by the third world so you want America to be the third world.

Thwarting that idea is absolutely Paramount component of making America great again.

I agree that America will be better when the many conservative bigots who don't believe in the equal protection clause or the separation of church and state decide to leave for more ideologically suitable countries like Russia and Iran.

You don't have equal protection under the law if you broke the law to get here you must leave and return the proper way to have protection of the law. The equal protection clause was never meant to support foreign Invaders and it's not bigotry to point out that that's what they are.

Also the separation of church and state was never a law it's a concept the First amendment does not include that phrase.

When people who want to turn our country into the third world and want to rewrite the Constitution with nonsense phrases are no longer able to do that then our country will be great.

 

[CLAX1911]

"Anti-rights types"

Anybody who supports gun control is anti rights.

like the ones ok with the government going after law firms, universities, news organizations, and other entities for their speech and association,

Criminal speech and corrupt associations sure that's what the government is supposed to do stop sedition the right to assembly in the right to free speech doesn't include undermining your country.

or seizing and deporting people with no process to foreign gulags?

Foreign Invaders being determined to be for an Invaders and have no rightful claim to be here have had all the process that they're due and must be thrown out never to return.

To think that we must keep these Invaders means you hate Americans because you want them displaced by the third world so you want America to be the third world.

Thwarting that idea is absolutely Paramount component of making America great again.

I agree that America will be better when the many conservative bigots who don't believe in the equal protection clause or the separation of church and state decide to leave for more ideologically suitable countries like Russia and Iran.

You don't have equal protection under the law if you broke the law to get here you must leave and return the proper way to have protection of the law. The equal protection clause was never meant to support foreign Invaders and it's not bigotry to point out that that's what they are.

Also the separation of church and state was never a law it's a concept the First amendment does not include that phrase.

When people who want to turn our country into the third world and want to rewrite the Constitution with nonsense phrases are no longer able to do that then our country will be great

Funny, the downward slide of America (in your view) seems to correlate with the rise of Republican control of Congress and State legislatures.

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Republicans have also controlled the Presidency more than Democrats since 1980.

I'm not bothered by democrats I don't really think they exist anymore they have been consumed by the GOP the problem is progressives. They have hijacked the Democrat party and become Dino's and that's happened in the last 30 years maybe that's why they're falling off.

 

[Cameron]

Anybody who supports gun control is anti rights.

*Sigh* Ah yes, I forgot when conservatives talk about "rights" all they mean is guns. People who support gun control are anti-gun, not anti-rights.

Criminal speech and corrupt associations sure that's what the government is supposed to do stop sedition the right to assembly in the right to free speech doesn't include undermining your country.


Foreign Invaders being determined to be for an Invaders and have no rightful claim to be here have had all the process that they're due and must be thrown out never to return.

To think that we must keep these Invaders means you hate Americans because you want them displaced by the third world so you want America to be the third world.

Thwarting that idea is absolutely Paramount component of making America great again.

You don't have equal protection under the law if you broke the law to get here you must leave and return the proper way to have protection of the law. The equal protection clause was never meant to support foreign Invaders and it's not bigotry to point out that that's what they are.

Also the separation of church and state was never a law it's a concept the First amendment does not include that phrase.

When people who want to turn our country into the third world and want to rewrite the Constitution with nonsense phrases are no longer able to do that then our country will be great.

Did you get enough sleep? You guys sound more openly fascist and less American every day.

 

[CLAX1911]

*Sigh* Ah yes, I forgot when conservatives talk about "rights" all they mean is guns.

Not Just guns arms. Anybody who says you can't have this armament is necessarily saying this armament can be used against you.

People who support gun control are anti-gun, not anti-rights.

Distinction without a difference. If you want only police in government have guns then you want a police state

Did you get enough sleep? You guys sound more openly fascist and less American every day.

Says the person who just stated that they want a police state.

When an ultra fascist calls me a fascist I'll take it as a compliment. When you're accusing me of what you're doing I'm on the right track.

 

[Cameron]

Distinction without a difference. If you want only police in government have guns then you want a police state

This irony from a MAGA is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Sven Karma]

Yep when all the anti-rights types should be afraid to send foot here when they are that means we're great. We have separated the wheat from the chaff. The dress is removed the impurities taken out.

'Ein volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!"

 

[CLAX1911]

'Ein volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!"

Sounds like leftist talk. Funny how the left always invokes their past leaders.