Groucho
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Other conservatives howl that one judge is unjustly invalidating the will of seven million Californians and that gay rights should come to the populace through the ballot box, not the courts.
We conservatives have a well-founded narrative about judges and the courts. It is true that the federal bench is populated with liberals who view their role not as interpreting the law as it is written, but as policy makers empowered to sculpt social outcomes with which they agree.
The irony of this case is that Judge Walker is not a liberal activist judge but one whose career has proven him to be a tempered judge, true to the Reagan-Bush conservative jurisprudence that he was nominated to represent on the bench.
Conservatives cannot deny that our Founders intended the judiciary as an equal and independent branch of government purposed to ensure the protection of every citizen’s rights.
The Supreme Court has previously ruled that the right to marry is a fundamental constitutional right.
When an unpopular minority is denied the right to marry, it is indeed the role of the courts to protect the rights of that minority, especially when a majority would deny them. This is why Judge Walker’s opinion reads, “That the majority of California voters supported Proposition 8 is irrelevant, as fundamental rights may not be submitted to [a] vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”
Not to mention that conservatives have a flawed history with civil rights, a trend that began when Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act as unconstitutional. While Goldwater was no racist there is clearly a conservative precedent for a breakdown at the intersection of ideology and reality.
The aforementioned arguments against Judge Walker’s Perry v. Schwarzenegger decision risk undermining legitimate conservative gripes about the judiciary and putting conservatism once again, on the wrong side of the latest chapter in American civil rights.
The potential consequence that conservatives land on the wrong side of civil rights history again is the alienation of an entire generation of voters. With polling definitively indicating that Americans under age 30 overwhelmingly favor gay rights, with a majority supporting gay marriage according to the Pew Millennial Attitudes report published in February this year, there are multiple reasons for conservatives to think carefully before digging in their heels against gay marriage.
Margaret Hoover is a writer, conservative commentator and Fox News contributor.
"Do you think gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to get married and have their marriage recognized by law as valid?"
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"Do you think gays and lesbians should have a constitutional right to get married and have their marriage recognized by law as valid?"
The majority also oppose elective abortions in all stages of pregnancy. All I know is about 80% of TN voted against gay marriage, and the majority of Californians did too. No state (to my knowledge) has had a popular vote in favor of establishing SSM. Polls are nice and all, but sometimes they don't accurately depict the truth.
where did you get that abortion stat?
where did you get that abortion stat?
probably from some far-right clearing house for bull**** sats...
Look above, it comes from Gallup...
Want to know what is accounting for the trend? Old people are dying out, and being replaced with younger people.
Yes, but it's a very selective quoting. The majority of Americans actually support abortion remaining legal, with some limitations.
If you look at this statistic it shows the majority consider themselves to be pro-life (even though it's minute)The trend (and now the majority) oppose elective abortions for any stage of pregnancy.
That doesn't explain an 0-31 record. BTW, great Daily Kos graphic my fellow conservative. LOL
I'm not opposed to them having a civil union of some sort. Just don't label it marriage.
If you don't call it marriage, it isn't marriage. Separate ain't equal.
Digsbee quite being dishonest that thing doesn't saying anything about the majority being pro life it does however say the opposite that 47% are pro choice while only 45% are pro life. How does 45% equal the majority of the population when obviously the higher number are the people that are pro choice?
I also say this will be a growing trend, since the older generations are dieing out while the younger people who hang out with gays, and Lesbians know they are great people who shouldn't be demonized. They are the closest friend a person could have, since I know a couple of Homosexuals that are friends of my sister they're great people who deserve to be able to get married . Screw anyone who wants to take that away from people because god told you too do so.
I think you best go back and look at that again..... what I saw was 46% pro-life and 45.5% pro-choice...... I'm guessing the missing 1.5% didn't have an opinion.
BTW……. That makes pro-life a majority.
If it gets all the same benefits from a legal perspective and you live with each other and are happy then how is that any different then marriage?
Calling it something different doesn't mean it isn't equal. By that logic I could say that an Asian and a Hispanic are not equal since they are called different things but are still people.
Even if you debate these numbers, the trend is inescapable. Even if you think the poll may be flawed, you can't deny that it's going to happen.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/11/rel11a1a.pdf
That doesn't explain an 0-31 record. BTW, great Daily Kos graphic my fellow conservative. LOL
Generational Differences on Abortion Narrow
It seems as the older generation dies off, the younger generation is become increasingly pro-life. The most pro life generation is the youngest, and the most pro-abortion generation is the oldest. The trend (and now the majority) oppose elective abortions for any stage of pregnancy.
I will admit that it seems the younger generations favors SSM, but they are also becoming more pro-life.
That makes it a plurality. A majority is > 50%.
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