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I can tell the view of the movement you have is the one FOX "News" only preaches to you.
Just because you'd like it to be that doesn't make it true. TheDemSocialist seems to like those demands. You like to dismiss them because they reflect poorly on the movement you support, but nonetheless, it's a list posted by members on what they would like to see happen. Hell, we all know, that some of the less ridiculous demands on the list such as free college education, single payer universal healthcare, and $2 trillion in infrastructure and alternative energy spending is supported by a hell of lot more than just one member. Many people on this board push for those demands.
Is the corporation bad for trying to do what everyone else does? We try to pay as little taxes as possible and maximize our income by taking tax breaks and filing for refunds. It's not the corporations fault for being wise with the tax code. They didn't break any laws. The fault lies with congress who writes the tax code. I do think it's unethical to not pay any taxes and that companies should, but they shouldn't be attacked for doing what the vast majority of Americans do with their personal income :shrug:
You confuse support for infrastructure with these specific demands.
You confuse support for increased minimum wage with these specific demands.
You confuse support for education with these specific demands.
You confuse support for health care with these specific demands.
Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all....Actually this list of demands just confirms everyone's view of the movement. No basis in reality, extreme leftism, complete misunderstanding of economics, and a huge sense of entitlement. Demand 11 was good enough for a hearty laugh. :lamo
So? It's still Congress that wrote the tax code. Going around assigning blame does nothing. Congress is where you fix the problem. Corporations don't care if you sit around and complain that they're rich.What the hell, you seriously don't realize that many of these companies have bought and paid for a tax code that benefits them most?
Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all....
I find it interesting that this thread is nearing 100 posts but the thread concerning Corzine stealing who knows how much money gets very little in the way of replies.
So? It's still Congress that wrote the tax code. Going around assigning blame does nothing. Congress is where you fix the problem. Corporations don't care if you sit around and complain that they're rich.
What the hell, you seriously don't realize that many of these companies have bought and paid for a tax code that benefits them most?
Actually Germany's doesnt have a minmum wage on law because the wage is set by sector....Really Germany has:
Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Thats a EU thing...Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
They do?Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
Germany has 3 credit report agencies...Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
I really dont see how open borders, debt forgiveness, and outlawing credit agencies would make you socialist...Are you really trying to defend these demands?
I mean have the **** you just made up in your last post...If you are, do you think you will have any credibility when discussing politics and the economy from here on out?
I mean have the **** you just made up in your last post...
No, I don't confuse any of these. The difference between these demands and popular democratic positions are the level of support they lend these issues. You argue that the demands overstate the levels of support that are popular among the Democratic party. You're cherry-picking. You use the more moderate positions to paint the entire party with and dismiss attempts to use more radical positions to paint the same picture.
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It is not cherry picking. It is called being accurate and not letting the enemy paint a false picture of you so they can demonize both you and your actual views.
Thank you for demonstrating that.
You seem to implied that when you said this: "Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all...."When did I claim any of these were socialist?
Naa those were the demands some in the occupy movement posted...These were the demands you posted and subsequently defended.
See you picked out 3 things, and tried to imply that to Germany when 3/4 things you tried to imply were false...You then went on to claim they weren't "that radical" and that social democracies like Germany had them.
You mentioned the word "extreme leftism".....In your latest response you seem to forgot what you originally said and then argued against yourself that Germany didn't have them. I haven't mentioned the word socialism once, you seem to gravitate towards the concept.
Please point to any **** I have "made up". My last post was quoting your list of demands. I said you wouldn't have any credibility if you honestly believed in, and defended the list of demands you posted.
You seem to implied that when you said this: "Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all...."
And if you would like to get educated on their demands ill provide them for you here instead of making ignorant typical remarks
Actually this list of demands just confirms everyone's view of the movement. No basis in reality, extreme leftism, complete misunderstanding of economics, and a huge sense of entitlement.
Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all....
Really Germany has:
Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Are you really trying to defend these demands? If you are, do you think you will have any credibility when discussing politics and the economy from here on out?
If we ever get that through our thick skulls, we'll get somewhere. Congress loves to see us blaming:
The Rich
Corporations
Big Banks
Next Popular Target, whatever that may be
It's all on them. They are the jakes that let it alllllll happen.
Actually, I do blame big corporations and big banks too. After all, they are the ones who bought Congress.
Exactly. Corporations to blame? No. Blame Congress if you don't like corporate welfare. Amazing people need to be continually reminded of this.
The thirty big corporations analyzed in this report paid more to lobby Congress than they paid in federal income taxes for the three years between 2008 and 2010, despite being profitable.
For Hire: Lobbyists or the 99%? | Public Campaign
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