Maher Rips Media for Liz Cheney Firing Squad Hoax: ‘Just Don’t Lie to Me’

[JasperL]

It was a dishonest representation of what he said.

Those who lie about Trump's abusive statements immunize him to criticism for his actual abusive statements.

I have no idea why you or anyone else who doesn't support Trump would want to help him lock up support by discrediting criticism of him, broadly, but, it's a wierd political season.

Fine, he didn't say put her in front of a firing squad, just stand her up with "nine barrels shooting at her...trained on her face."

What's there to whine about? Just a POTUS candidate fantasizing about having one of his biggest critics killed, but NOT BY A FIRING SQUAD!!! Just NINE BARRELS SHOOTING AT HER FACE!!!"

There's a lot of ways to suggest she be put in active combat, and Trump said one that sounds to an awful lot of people like a firing squad, but it's NOT A FIRING SQUAD. Why do liberals lie? It's TOTALLY different if he just publicly fantasized about her being shot in the face with nine barrels!!

 

[JasperL]

In what scenario does one have 9 rifles pointed at them? Almost everyone imagines a firing squad, and I have no doubt that was the image Trump wanted to invoke. Of course, he tries to give himself plausible deniability with the 'give her a rifle' comment. But we know and you know what message he was trying to send.

And you know full well, if given the chance, Trump would see his political opponents executed. He's already stated it/implied it several times. Let's stop with the sane-washing/normalizing of this rhetoric.

It's all a bunch of fake outrage. Unfortunately it's worked. Maher isn't talking about Trump fantasizing about one of his biggest critics having nine barrels trained at her FACE, but that the liberals interpreted 9 barrels trained on her face as a firing squad, which it totally was NOT, which changes the import of what he said..... NONE.

 

[Pyrite]

To say "firing squad" is an easy error for civilian journalists to make given the constant rush of news professional journalists deal with daily and at this closing point of the campaign. Indeed we're talking civilians doing this reporting.

It was Trump saying a rifle and nine barrels that, moreover, would be "pointed" at her face. Trump's been raging about the punishment for "treason" for Gen. Milley now retired, courts martial and military "tribunals," vengeance against "the enemy within" and retribution, military roundups and so on and so on. Almost any civilian can think "firing squad" when he hears the number 9, rifle, barrels pointed and shoot.

Trump is the perp in this, not the MSM. The MSM made an innocent mistake that is insignificant to every blathered word Trump said from inside his sick head.

Needs to be repeated - and read by trump's supporters - over and over.

 

[CimpleMan]

Correct. Maher has been anti-Trump the entire time. He even sounded the alarm that Trump would refuse to accept the 2020 election results more than a year before the election. He plays to the right sometimes because he doesn't like PC outrage. These jokes at the MSG went way off the deep end though and it's wild he doesn't see through it.

He's a comedian and admitted he's sticking up for him. You're absolutely correct, he missed the boat on why they were wrong and didn't point out Republican Party thought it was acceptable for a comedian to do racial tinged jokes. Even Haley called out what went on at MSG rally, saying disparaging women and Harris isn't a winning strategy.

 

[Pyrite]

Fine, he didn't say put her in front of a firing squad, just stand her up with "nine barrels shooting at her...trained on her face."

What's there to whine about? Just a POTUS candidate fantasizing about having one of his biggest critics killed, but NOT BY A FIRING SQUAD!!! Just NINE BARRELS SHOOTING AT HER FACE!!!"

There's a lot of ways to suggest she be put in active combat, and Trump said one that sounds to an awful lot of people like a firing squad, but it's NOT A FIRING SQUAD. Why do liberals lie? It's TOTALLY different if he just publicly fantasized about her being shot in the face with nine barrels!!

This, too, needs to be repeated and read by trump's supporters.

Over and over.

 

[JasperL]

It’s a reasonable interpretation. Trump shares another violent fantasy and, predictably, his defenders rush to make excuses for him.

There’s no lie. What’s most bizarre here is that you correctly characterize the statement as abusive.

Lol?? We’re not the ones defending Trump here.

The arguments being made here are absurd. If we asked, "Quick, what's your mental image when I say, "Stand her up with nine barrels shooting at her"?"

Something like 9 of 10 of us imagine a.....firing squad. Does ANYONE imagine a typical combat situation? Of course not. A single person with a specific number of 'barrels' shooting at that one person IS a common image and it's always in the context of a firing squad.

But if you conjure up the same image 9 or 10 or whatever of your fellow Americans do when given that description, and label that scenario accurately, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I mean - give me a break. The alternative is a very specific fantasy about one of his biggest critics being shot, in the FACE. You say tomato, I say tomato. Oh, you put a possibly inaccurate LABEL on Trump's violent fantasy of his biggest critic being shot in the face. SHAME ON YOU!!!! YOU LIAR!

 

[Tangmo]

But when folks in the media and on the left generally try to turn it into a twisted, hyperbolic, version that he did not say, they turn the story into their inaccuracy, and mean that he won't face any consequences for it. All that will happen is that this will tie people more to him, because his opponents will look dishonest, discrediting their other criticism of him.

This kind of crap immunizes him from losing supporters, because they point to the falseness or tortured attempts to make something worse than it was as a way of shrugging off valid criticism.

How many times have you heard MAGA use "Russiagate" as a means of brushing off stories about Trump's abuses?

You need to be advised Trump's critics consider your focus against them to be both wrongheaded and insincere. Trump is the perp in this, not some of his critics to include in the MSM who made a minor and totally insignificant mistake for which they've apologized. You need to accept their apology and to move on.

Whether or not Trump was talking about a firing squad is meaningless given Trump talked drippingly about shooting Liz Cheney in the face with a 9 barrel rifle. Your posts however focus intensely and determinedly on the minor and insignificant mistake made by some of Trump's critics. Indeed, your overwrought posts bang away unrelentingly against Trump's critics only and exclusively. Their mistake however was a big nothingburger. The only crime against humanity in this is Trump and his bloodthirsty sick mind that your posts dismiss and consciously play down.

 

[Tangmo]

And predictably, those supporters benefit from the fact that his critics feel the need to exaggerate and twist it into something worse, shielding Trump from accurate critique by turning the conversation into one about how the media is dishonest.

Your posts are overwrought.

They are a faux pas.

Your posts say to "look over here!" instead of recognizing what Trump said against Liz Cheney who as a critic is highly effective. Indeed, the "firing squad" mistake is minor and insignificant while Trump is a bloodthirsty madman. Which make your posts dull, not shiny. Your pretend posts aren't even friendly fire. Your posts are not the savior of Trumps critics.

 

[year2late]

Good on Bill

Nolte -- Bill Maher Rips Media for Liz Cheney Firing Squad Hoax: ‘Just Don’t Lie to Me’

Bill Maher tore into the corporate media for lying about former President Donald Trump calling for Liz Cheney to be executed.

www.breitbart.com

“I woke up to the headline ‘Donald Trump had called for a firing squad for Liz Cheney,’ said Maher, adding, “and this is what I really don’t like about the media — No, he didn’t.”


Maher goes on to explain what Trump clearly said. “He’s criticizing her for being a war hawk. I mean she is Dick Cheney’s daughter.” Maher then read Trump’s full and unambiguous quote. Here it is:




“Just to be clear,” Maher continued, “this is exactly what hippies always said. This is exactly what peaceniks always said. [Trump is saying], ‘You know what, it’s very easy to sit in your building and send young men to die.’”


He then said to the media, “Just don’t lie to me. I don’t like Donald Trump. Don’t lie to me and tell me he wants her in front of a firing squad. He was saying something that … again, sounds like what hippies used to say.”


Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) quickly agreed that the media lied. “I agree with you on the lying,” he said. “That’s ridiculous and absurd and counterproductive.”

I would think the major difference is that Trump specified a specific person.

But I get the point.

But realistically.......what it always comes down to (for me) would I be ok with Trump having the ability to launch nuclear weapons? Would I trust Trump to be able to follow the Constitution. Would I trust Trump to put America first over his personal interests.

No.
No.
Hell no.

These pissy ass statements of Trumps are meant to stir the pot and separate us as Americans. This is by design.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

It was a dishonest representation of what he said.

No, it wasn't. Trump is infamous for his threats.

Those who lie about Trump's abusive statements immunize him to criticism for his actual abusive statements.I

Every statement he makes is abusive.

I have no idea why you or anyone else who doesn't support Trump would want to help him lock up support by discrediting criticism of him, broadly, but, it's a wierd political season.

I want Trump in a cell until the day he dies.

 

[cpwill]

Fine, he didn't say put her in front of a firing squad, just stand her up with "nine barrels shooting at her...trained on her face."

What's there to whine about? Just a POTUS candidate fantasizing about having one of his biggest critics killed, but NOT BY A FIRING SQUAD!!! Just NINE BARRELS SHOOTING AT HER FACE!!!"

There's a lot of ways to suggest she be put in active combat, and Trump said one that sounds to an awful lot of people like a firing squad, but it's NOT A FIRING SQUAD. Why do liberals lie? It's TOTALLY different if he just publicly fantasized about her being shot in the face with nine barrels!!

Both the context of the remarks and the verbiage of the remarks point to the fact that he was discussing putting her into combat - it's the Chickenhawk accusation that the left spent the 2000's making against Republicans.

When Trump was challenged about the January 6th mobs chanting “hang Mike Pence”, he didn’t say “that’s too far” nor “that’s too violent” nor “that’s not want I wanted”, he said “because it’s common sense.”

I remember his “if Hillary gets elected, nothing you can do, nothing you can do. Maybe the second amendment people” statement. I remember him saying he wouldn’t mind if someone shot the news media at one of his rallies. I remember January 6th. I remember him saying to punch hecklers.

How far are you really willing to go to defend and excuse his violence?

This is a goalpost shift. I am not excusing what Trump does, I am pointing out that he did not, in this instance call for Cheney to be executed by firing squad (though doing so would be entirely within his character), and that our criticisms of Trump should focus on what he actually says and does, as opposed to the exaggeration and hyperbole that causes criticism to lose credibility.

There’s no exaggeration. Trump is using intimidation to influence politics.

This is a goalpost shift. I am not saying Trump doesn't use intimidation to influence politics, I am pointing out that he did not, in this instance call for Cheney to be executed by firing squad (though doing so would be entirely within his character), and that our criticisms of Trump should focus on what he actually says and does, as opposed to the exaggeration and hyperbole that causes criticism to lose credibility.

If there was a high school debate and some kid said “if you had 9 guns pointed at your head” it would never, ever be treated as equivalent to “you wouldn’t be so quick to go to war if you were the one on the front lines.”

If it started with "You are a radical warhawk [because you support the wars we are debating], but what if it was you with a rifle in your hand, standing there with nine barrels shooting at you", then yeah, that would be pretty much equivalent.

Your interpretation is not honest. He is fantasizing about a specific imagery.

He mentioned guns trained on her face

And a rifle in her hand, and her being in the wars he claims she advocates for:

"But the reason she couldn’t stand me is that she always wanted to go to war with people. If it were up to her we’d be in 50 different countries. She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with the rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. OK, let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. You know they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh gee, well let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,”

Trump compared himself to Al Capone who famously could not be prosecuted because he spoke in a mobster code to protect himself. So it’s one thing to say Al Capone could not be proven in court to have killed those people, but it’s something else to cry that he’s innocent because he didn’t explicitly state his intentions.

If only Al Capone had managed to seed people’s minds with the idea that the “fake news” was biased against him, he could have had this ridiculous level of deniability enforced on his behalf.

If the media had cooperated so vigorously and consistently with Al as it has with Trump in that endeavor, he probably could have.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Both the context of the remarks and the verbiage of the remarks point to the fact that he was discussing putting her into combat - it's the Chickenhawk accusation that the left spent the 2000's making against Republicans.

Nope. This is not what he was doing.

This is a goalpost shift. I am not excusing what Trump does, I am pointing out that he did not, in this instance call for Cheney to be executed by firing squad (though doing so would be entirely within his character), and that our criticisms of Trump should focus on what he actually says and does, as opposed to the exaggeration and hyperbole that causes criticism to lose credibility.

We disagree.

This is a goalpost shift. I am not saying Trump doesn't use intimidation to influence politics, I am pointing out that he did not, in this instance call for Cheney to be executed by firing squad (though doing so would be entirely within his character), and that our criticisms of Trump should focus on what he actually says and does, as opposed to the exaggeration and hyperbole that causes criticism to lose credibility.

Trump made a threat.

If it started with "You are a radical warhawk [because you support the wars we are debating], but what if it was you with a rifle in your hand, standing there with nine barrels shooting at you", then yeah, that would be pretty much equivalent.

Trump is a putin ball-juggler. He is NOT to be trusted.

And a rifle in her hand, and her being in the wars he claims she advocates for:

"But the reason she couldn’t stand me is that she always wanted to go to war with people. If it were up to her we’d be in 50 different countries. She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with the rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. OK, let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. You know they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh gee, well let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,”

Trump is a lying idiot. He is not to be believed.

If the media had cooperated so vigorously and consistently with Al as it has with Trump in that endeavor, he probably could have.