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Maggie Thatcher says no to Sarah Palin.

Grant said:
The state of her health is not reported on much here, but her iconically divisive reputation remains.
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More like..

Paul
 
Grant said:
It seems the Brits admire few of their recent leaders. It is torn between right and left, and few are happy about much of anything.
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How can you deduce from me suggesting she was 'divisive' whether i liked/disliked her?

Paul
 
Grant said:
It seems the Brits admire few of their recent leaders. It is torn between right and left, and few are happy about much of anything.
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Why would a Eurohating Canuckistanian presume that? British politics are not so riven as in the Land O'Murka.
 
gunner said:
How can you deduce from me suggesting she was 'divisive' whether i liked/disliked her?

Paul
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I didn't. What I said was "It seems the Brits admire few of their recent leaders. It is torn between right and left, and few are happy about much of anything".

I didn't mention you at all.
 
Grant said:
I said she has had some governing experience, and she has. That's it.
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So if she ran a lemonade stand as a kid, she has "some governing experience?" :lol:

Grant said:
But the current POTUS has none. Nothing. And yet people, mostly Democrats, elected him.
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Oh, no no no. If we apply your yardstick fairly, everybody has "some governing experience."


I guess you haven't been paying attention for the last few decades. You're forgetting John McCain and Bob Dole, not to mention Nixion and Bush -- Vice Presidential candidates with no previous governing experience -- and that's just what I remember off the top of my head.

How about Reagan and the Governator -- two prominent California governors whose previous governing experience involved cameras and professional games of make-believe?

I could keep going, but there's no point. I can already see the smoke curling from your ears as you figure out how best to move the goal-posts.

Grant said:
No one who voted for Barrack Obama can ever seriously criticize Sarah Palin for lack of experience.
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I'm not criticizing her for a lack of experience so much as I'm making fun of the people who think Palin's experience especially qualifies her to hold the office.
 
Grant said:
I didn't. What I said was "It seems the Brits admire few of their recent leaders. It is torn between right and left, and few are happy about much of anything".

I didn't mention you at all.
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No, you just quoted me....for the irrelevance:doh

Paul
 
Manc Skipper said:
Why would a Eurohating Canuckistanian presume that? British politics are not so riven as in the Land O'Murka.
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I said "it seems" like that, judging from the photo that was sent.

And I don't "hate" Europe.

It seems Europeans still have trouble with the written word though.
 
gunner said:
No, you just quoted me....for the irrelevance:doh

Paul
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He's right about the British not admiring any of the recent leaders though. If you check the Political Compass website, the one we've all been having fun with on the other thread, you'll see that none of the recent British political leaders have been left-wing at all. Blair, Brown, Major, Cameron and Thatcher are all well to the right of centre, and all well towards the authoritarian end of the social scale. That tells you quite a lot, right there, no?
 
Arcana XV said:
Good piece. It sure makes a lot of sense to me.
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It is a reasonably good piece. The problem with it is in its simplistic take on British conservatism. It is not a homogeneous grouping and doesn't speak with one voice any more than the US right does. Cameron may be a cosmopolitan, modern version of an old-style One Nation Tory, with a more progressive social agenda and a more interventionist economic approach, but many in his cabinet and party are not. People like Daniel Hannon, Michael Gove and Andrew Lansley are small government, right-libertarians with much more in common with the Palin side of politics than Cameron. To say that a gulf is growing between the British right and the American right is over-simplifying things.
 

Your last sentence. More info, por favor?
 
BDBoop said:
Your last sentence. More info, por favor?
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The British Conservatives are currently in coalition government with the LibDems. For them to head off in a right-ward, libertarian or extreme authoritarian conservative direction would severely test the patience and resolve of their junior coalition partners. If you watch the U-turn that Andrew Lansley, the Health Secretary has had to do over his NHS reform plans tells you that the libertarian right is active in the Tory Party. It also tells you that there is serious disagreement between that wing of the party and the more liberal Tories, allied with the LibDems who believe in the importance of UHC and the continued investment in the NHS. I have seen one of the British right-libertarian leaders, Daniel Hannon appearing on US libertarian propaganda opposing Obama's health reforms. Palin might not receive a very warm reception from mainstream Tories, but that's certainly not to say that she doesn't have any admirers amongst the British right.
 
Thatcher is totally correct NOT to meet with Palin. Sarah quit her last elected job way early to sign books and capitalize on her celebrity. She's just out making money. She's not got a real job, and she's not an announced candidate for president. She's a nobody out chasing media spotlight. Maggie doesn't want to be used by Sarah in that way, and I don't blame her. Maggie is still a smart cookie.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
So if she ran a lemonade stand as a kid, she has "some governing experience?" :lol:
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Do you have a link to this or is it just anther example of the sophomoric left wing wit? If she did run such a stand as a child that's still more business experience than the current president has.

Oh, no no no. If we apply your yardstick fairly, everybody has "some governing experience."
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Really? Do you think being a State governor does not qualify for governing experience? I think it does. Perhaps that's why they call the position "Governor".

McCain and Dole never made it to the Presidency but Nixon certainly had a great deal of experience in high level politics, domestic and foreign, and the past President, if you're referring to him, was the successful Governor of Texas. All have had extensive administrative experience.
How about Reagan and the Governator -- two prominent California governors whose previous governing experience involved cameras and professional games of make-believe?
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What is your point? That only lawyers should qualify for government office? You apparently know little of either man.
I could keep going, but there's no point.
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That's right. I've yet to see a point to this post.

I can already see the smoke curling from your ears as you figure out how best to move the goal-posts.
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Do you seriously believe you have the wit or intellect to challenge anyone with your juvenile comments? LOL! Lemonade stands??

I'm not criticizing her for a lack of experience so much as I'm making fun of the people who think Palin's experience especially qualifies her to hold the office.
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And who said that? What i said is that she has more governing and administrative experience and that is undeniably true. Yet the Democrats elected this Barrack Obama for no discernible reason but the color of his skin, the extreme end of affirmative action, and yet call Sarah Palin 'stupid', a moron', etc. Though you choose to diminish them, Sarah Palin has more accomplishments than Barrack Obama did before he became President, and no doubt a great deal more intelligence than anyone reading these words.

You are not 'making fun' of anyone. This is just another display of juvenile comments that neither offend, amuse or illuminate.
 

She out there making money but doesn't have a real job.

I think I just met your evil twin.
 

The NHS is still running behind the People's Army of China and Walmart in the total number of employees but perhaps with further investment they can surpass them yet.
 
Grant said:
The NHS is still running behind the People's Army of China and Walmart in the total number of employees but perhaps with further investment they can surpass them yet.
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And it's still running way ahead of the military and the monarchy as the most appreciated and respected social institution in the country. Go figure!
 
Andalublue said:
-- To say that a gulf is growing between the British right and the American right is over-simplifying things.
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I think quite a lot of the article is very accurate. I also think a major difference is that the British right has always tended to find strength in unity - even in Thatcher's day the party presented a public face of unity (even if the left wing of the conservative movement were described as "wets.")

What I feel is a fundamental difference and reason why most of the Conservatives in the UK will avoid Palin and similar characters is simply that the tea-party itself represents the possibility of a split in the conservative party. That some may wish to go it alone and form such a movement. That would be political suicide as this would muddy the waters here, there isn't the electoral interest or electoral body to support such a party. Part of me thinks that if Palin was seen as a regular Republican Party Conservative -she may have been seen - probably still not by Thatcher but other high level Tories here in the UK.
 

I despise and oppose everything that Margaret Thatcher and her advisers stood/stand for but she was never a fool and should be easily able to spot a political chancer when she sees one.
 
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