• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

MAGA (2 Viewers)

Every time I ask you to back up one of your accusations about the left, all I get are excuses 🤷‍♀️

Lol, they've been plastered countless times herein, but you are the party of total innocence, cannot do wrong, party of the people, huh? You've delegated the opposition to less than human, making yourselves the savior of the people. Hell, it's all you have.......where's the policies or candidates? Only thing I see are more Trump hating guru's putting their own twist to gain attention from the cult. What the heck happened to the democrat party?
 
I'm glad you put this in this forum, because that's exactly what MAGA is. A belief. A belief in a horrible, crazy man and his horrible, crazy cause.
Okay, let’s assume the OP is correct about the MAGA folks. But it wasn’t MAGA that defeated Harris last year. MAGA, avid Trumpers probably make up a quarter to 30% of the electorate. Trump received 49.9% of the vote, just shy 50%. That other 20% had to come from somewhere. MAGA isn’t going anywhere, nor is their support for Trump going to diminish anytime soon. They’ll always be there for him, supporting him. But that 20% of non-MAGA who voted for Trump, most of them are up for grabs if the democrats play their cards right. MAGA isn’t.

You already have about a quarter of that 20% leaving Trump, but the democrats haven’t given them any reason to join their side outside of their constantly harping Trump, MAGA, Trump, MAGA, and on and on. There are times when some folks need a positive reason to change who they voted for, not just the same old negative campaign rhetoric so prevalent in todays political environment. That quarter of that 20% are still out there, still in limbo disliking Trump, but also disliking the democrats as much as they dislike Trump. Outside of not being Trump, the democrats haven’t given them any positive reason to join them. Just not being Trump isn’t enough. That was Harris’s problem, her whole campaign was based on not being Trump, how’d that work out?
 
they are Desperate.

so am i.

so i come here and say it; i know what we need, at least some times i think i do.

in the end, we will try to find Common Ground, which is basically Populism forgotten when the masses got into factionalism.


I’m running outta hope
I need a miracle

And if I ever needed You it’s right now

Oh God I’m desperate
Down on my knees
Send help from Heaven
Cuz that’s what I need
Redeem this wreckage
Restore my peace
I’m not asking I’m begging
Lord come through for me


Jamie MacDonald - Desperate (Official Lyric Video)


Oh God I’m desperate
Down on my knees

Send help from Heaven
Cuz that’s what I need
Redeem this wreckage
Restore my peace
I’m not asking I’m begging
Lord come through for me

I need Heaven and I’m
Desperate
Desperate
Oh, I need Heaven
Need Heaven and I’m
Desperate
Desperate
Oh, I need Heaven
Need Heaven and I

#JamieMacDonald #Desperate

Music video by Jamie MacDonald performing Desperate (Lyric Video).© 2024 Capitol CMG, Inc.

Yeah, politics and religion is the cause of much senseless debate and harm.....can't argue with that. Need to spend less time herein, for it leads to no good, nothing but strife and arguments which lead nowhere and repeated over and over......nothing changes.
 
Lol, they've been plastered countless times herein, but you are the party of total innocence, cannot do wrong, party of the people, huh? You've delegated the opposition to less than human, making yourselves the savior of the people. Hell, it's all you have.......where's the policies or candidates? Only thing I see are more Trump hating guru's putting their own twist to gain attention from the cult. What the heck happened to the democrat party?
I see you've refused to back up even one of your accusations with evidence.
Trump supporters should worry about cleaning up their own house first. ✈️
 
Lol, they've been plastered countless times herein, but you are the party of total innocence, cannot do wrong, party of the people, huh? You've delegated the opposition to less than human, making yourselves the savior of the people. Hell, it's all you have.......where's the policies or candidates? Only thing I see are more Trump hating guru's putting their own twist to gain attention from the cult.

What the heck happened to the democrat party?

me thinks they are desperate. with no where to turn, and nothing to learn.

they point at @redbeer , God and maga.............and are Desperate.

a bit like this Truck below, it starts out testing what is can do...





as you can see, whatever speeeed they go, they end up Desperate.


so i gave them a Song this morning; it speaks for most of us and will give them some light....


Oh God I’m desperate
Down on my knees

Send help from Heaven
Cuz that’s what I need
Redeem this wreckage
Restore my peace
I’m not asking I’m begging
Lord come through for me

I need Heaven and I’m
Desperate
Desperate
Oh, I need Heaven
Need Heaven and I’m
Desperate
Desperate
Oh, I need Heaven
Need Heaven and I

#JamieMacDonald #Desperate

Music video by Jamie MacDonald performing Desperate (Lyric Video).© 2024 Capitol CMG, Inc.
 
I see you've refused to back up even one of your accusations with evidence.
Trump supporters should worry about cleaning up their own house first.

You are members of the perfect class......the liberal progressive elite, a perfect group of ideological intellectuals who pfft at the rest of us. Nah, just kidding but it is how you portray yourselves.....it's hilarious.
 
You are members of the perfect class......the liberal progressive elite, a perfect group of ideological intellectuals who pfft at the rest of us. Nah, just kidding but it is how you portray yourselves.....it's hilarious.
Point out just one of my comments that supports your accusation.
If not, I'm done here.
Your replies are a broken record stuck on lies and hate. 👋 ✈️
 
me thinks they are desperate. with no where to turn, and nothing to learn.

they point at @redbeer , God and maga.............and are Desperate.

a bit like this Truck below, it starts out testing what is can do...





as you can see, whatever speeeed they go, they end up Desperate.


so i gave them a Song this morning; it speaks for most of us and will give them some light....


Oh God I’m desperate
Down on my knees

Send help from Heaven
Cuz that’s what I need
Redeem this wreckage
Restore my peace
I’m not asking I’m begging
Lord come through for me

I need Heaven and I’m
Desperate
Desperate
Oh, I need Heaven
Need Heaven and I’m
Desperate
Desperate
Oh, I need Heaven
Need Heaven and I

#JamieMacDonald #Desperate

Music video by Jamie MacDonald performing Desperate (Lyric Video).© 2024 Capitol CMG, Inc.


Holy Cow!!! Sure nothing like the Dukes of Hazzard, lol.
 
Point out just one of my comments that supports your accusation.
If not, I'm done here.
Your replies are a broken record stuck on lies and hate. 👋 ✈️

You all love to dish it out, but can't take it, lol. Bye, have a good day.
 
me thinks they are desperate. with no where to turn, and nothing to learn.

they point at @redbeer , God and maga.............and are Desperate.
If you have something to say about my comments reply to me directly. Your passive aggressive personal insults aren't fooling anyone.
 
Holy Cow!!! Sure nothing like the Dukes of Hazzard, lol.

LOL, gave me a Laugh and then i realized how they got that Truck up to 300 mph.

so i picked myself off the Floor and read your post; is it possible to mix a silly Truck video with what you were touting and my Song singing 'Desperate'. ??

redbeer, sometimes no matter how Fast we run our Truck thru life we end up realizing it is all Desperate.

Saint Paul realized this on the Road to Damascus, he was going to kill some more christians until Jesus showed up asking him why he was on his present course.

desperate.

Saint Paul was shocked and inquired of God which way to go; good move. until God showed up in Paul's life, he had all the answers, but didn't understand the questions.

most don't

desperate






.
 
MAGA is just a term that really stupid lockstep sheeple use as a term to describe anybody who disagrees with them in even the slightest way.
Nah, most of us understand that MAGA really means a smart group of loud obnoxious Trump cultists (not even conservative in the true sense) that would support him even if he shot someone on 5th avenue, in other words - monumentally stupid people.
 
The message of the Democrat party is that people are losers, they are losers because of their identity
Ok.. let me try this AGAIN. I voted for a Conservative here in Canada. One of my favorite Presidents was Reagan. So, no, the message is not that people are losers, but that simple-minded bigots who idolize Trump (and call themselves conservatives when clearly they are not) are losers. And not only losers, monumentally stupid losers.
 
General question.
If the OP is so wrong regarding MAGA what does MAGA really mean besides a sound bite of Make America Great Again.

What do MAGA supporters believe this means and what actions are needed to make America Great Again.
When Trump coined the term, it stood for a strong sense of our being a nation-state looking out for American interests .

The elite Globalists hated him for it since they seek to destroy the very notion of national sovereignty and those who are not sentient in any meaningful way followed suit.
 
Okay, let’s assume the OP is correct about the MAGA folks. But it wasn’t MAGA that defeated Harris last year. MAGA, avid Trumpers probably make up a quarter to 30% of the electorate. Trump received 49.9% of the vote, just shy 50%. That other 20% had to come from somewhere. MAGA isn’t going anywhere, nor is their support for Trump going to diminish anytime soon. They’ll always be there for him, supporting him. But that 20% of non-MAGA who voted for Trump, most of them are up for grabs if the democrats play their cards right. MAGA isn’t.

See my sig about racism and tRump supporters.

You already have about a quarter of that 20% leaving Trump, but the democrats haven’t given them any reason to join their side outside of their constantly harping Trump, MAGA, Trump, MAGA, and on and on. There are times when some folks need a positive reason to change who they voted for, not just the same old negative campaign rhetoric so prevalent in todays political environment. That quarter of that 20% are still out there, still in limbo disliking Trump, but also disliking the democrats as much as they dislike Trump. Outside of not being Trump, the democrats haven’t given them any positive reason to join them. Just not being Trump isn’t enough. That was Harris’s problem, her whole campaign was based on not being Trump, how’d that work out?

Yes, we're in the midst of a cycling of sorts, trying to figure out where the Democratic party needs to go. It's an important discussion, but there are too many "Gimme what I want right now or I take my ball and go home" voices in that discussion.
 
Lol, so you said during the first term, but now Trump's the President once again. Truth is, history will not speak well of the lying left and their totalitarian ways with their glutenous use of propaganda, accusing Trump and voters as being Nazi's, yet doing Nazi tactics/actions themselves, lol. They created disinformation/misinformation centers of bureaucracy to silence speech, purposefully opened our borders, placed prosecutors/judges to release criminals into society, mandated orders else source of income is removed, supported and incited violence in the streets during a three month long siege of anarchists, used bloated federal agencies to funnel taxpayer monies for their corrupt activities, used the full weight of the federal government to prevent a parties choice from running in our elections, attempted to remove his name from ballots across the country, yet speak as if they are the defenders of democracy and fighters of voter suppression.......such a pathetic lying machine, they've become.

 
When Trump coined the term, it stood for a strong sense of our being a nation-state looking out for American interests .
thanks for your thoughts
The elite Globalists hated him for it since they seek to destroy the very notion of national sovereignty and those who are not sentient in any meaningful way followed suit.
Do you believe in today's world that the US can stand alone for all that it needs or wants?
imo, the world is way past where a country can be self sufficient. There is a reason for why we trade with other countries.
 
See my sig about racism and tRump supporters.



Yes, we're in the midst of a cycling of sorts, trying to figure out where the Democratic party needs to go. It's an important discussion, but there are too many "Gimme what I want right now or I take my ball and go home" voices in that discussion.
As the democrats sort these things out, where they need to go, you’re going to hear a lot of voices say go left, go further left. Which is fine for democrats. But what about that 40% or so who aren’t democrats nor are they republicans? They split down the middle last year, half going to Harris, half going to Trump. I don’t think the democrats need to select or have a physical leader. But they need to unite into one voice with a positive message to those swing voters, the non-affiliated, the less to non-partisan group of voters. At least for the midterms, the democrats can decide on a leader before 2028.

This group will know how Trump affects their personal lives, but what changes do the democrats offer that will make their lives better? They don’t need to hear Trump, Trump, MAGA, MAGA from the democrats. Harris made that mistake by not offering any changes. She was asked what she would do different as president than what Biden had done. Her answer, nothing. Great to be loyal, but nothing wasn’t what the voters, that 40% was looking for. They wanted a positive change, a change that would hold the promise of a better life and perhaps an improvement in their living standards. Harris didn’t give that, Trump did. At least Trump promised positive change to what Biden and company had been doing.

A positive change message is what’s needed and then beat that positive change message to death. Okay, I’m a swing voter, probably the last person on earth that the democrats would listen to. But as a swing voter, I’ll offer one more thing, candidates’ matter. Not in solid red or blue districts, but in swing districts. Running someone who is ideological pure and far left probably will lose in a swing district. The reason, swing districts aren’t far left or far right. Trump chose and ran a bunch of ideological MAGA candidates in 2022 in swing districts and states, most lost. Masters, Walker, Diehl, Cox, Laxalt, Oz, Bolduc, Tshibaka, Palin, Lake, Schmidt, Dixon, Mastriano plus some I can’t remember all lost. Too far right, way too MAGA. Learn from his mistakes.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom