MaggieD
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Went shooting at Article II Range today and asked the owner about the suicide that happened there a few months ago.
An attractive young woman came in and wanted to use the range and rent a gun. That range, and most in my area, use a buddy system unless they know you. Can't shoot alone. She was turned away. The next day, she showed up with a friend. Later, they found out she'd connected with him on the Internet the day before. First date at the range.
The range videos every stall. Review of the video later showed she loaded the rental gun, placed the target, shot at it twice and then...without skipping a beat...put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger.
A guy two stalls away was an ex-medic in the service. He kept her alive until paramedics arrived. She was taken off life support when her mom was reached and organs were harvested to help six people.
Staff working that day and others in the range were devastated. She'd tried twice before to kill herself. Her mom is a psychiatric nurse in a suburban hospital.
Apparently that's not that rare. Owner said it was his first time...30 years...but most ranges have had it happen in the past.
Thoughts?
Went shooting at Article II Range today and asked the owner about the suicide that happened there a few months ago.
An attractive young woman came in and wanted to use the range and rent a gun. That range, and most in my area, use a buddy system unless they know you. Can't shoot alone. She was turned away. The next day, she showed up with a friend. Later, they found out she'd connected with him on the Internet the day before. First date at the range.
The range videos every stall. Review of the video later showed she loaded the rental gun, placed the target, shot at it twice and then...without skipping a beat...put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger.
A guy two stalls away was an ex-medic in the service. He kept her alive until paramedics arrived. She was taken off life support when her mom was reached and organs were harvested to help six people.
Staff working that day and others in the range were devastated. She'd tried twice before to kill herself. Her mom is a psychiatric nurse in a suburban hospital.
Apparently that's not that rare. Owner said it was his first time...30 years...but most ranges have had it happen in the past.
Thoughts?
Went shooting at Article II Range today and asked the owner about the suicide that happened there a few months ago.
An attractive young woman came in and wanted to use the range and rent a gun. That range, and most in my area, use a buddy system unless they know you. Can't shoot alone. She was turned away. The next day, she showed up with a friend. Later, they found out she'd connected with him on the Internet the day before. First date at the range.
The range videos every stall. Review of the video later showed she loaded the rental gun, placed the target, shot at it twice and then...without skipping a beat...put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger.
A guy two stalls away was an ex-medic in the service. He kept her alive until paramedics arrived. She was taken off life support when her mom was reached and organs were harvested to help six people.
Staff working that day and others in the range were devastated. She'd tried twice before to kill herself. Her mom is a psychiatric nurse in a suburban hospital.
Apparently that's not that rare. Owner said it was his first time...30 years...but most ranges have had it happen in the past.
Thoughts?
.....Firearm Rental Fee:
– $ 12 for the first handgun or long gun
– $ 6 for each additional gun
***Rental party must have a minimum of two persons, at least one of which is 21 or older with a valid FOID card***
Store ammunition must be purchased for rental guns. Regular range fees apply..... Article 2 Gun Range | Rental Firearms & Fees | (630) 627-0310
Went shooting at Article II Range today and asked the owner about the suicide that happened there a few months ago.
An attractive young woman came in and wanted to use the range and rent a gun. That range, and most in my area, use a buddy system unless they know you. Can't shoot alone. She was turned away. The next day, she showed up with a friend. Later, they found out she'd connected with him on the Internet the day before. First date at the range.
The range videos every stall. Review of the video later showed she loaded the rental gun, placed the target, shot at it twice and then...without skipping a beat...put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger.
A guy two stalls away was an ex-medic in the service. He kept her alive until paramedics arrived. She was taken off life support when her mom was reached and organs were harvested to help six people.
Staff working that day and others in the range were devastated. She'd tried twice before to kill herself. Her mom is a psychiatric nurse in a suburban hospital.
Apparently that's not that rare. Owner said it was his first time...30 years...but most ranges have had it happen in the past.
Thoughts?
Have to wonder if they first turned her away because she didn't have a FOID or if it was because she was alone? Maybe she brought the date because he had the FOID card. If she had a valid FOID why didn't she buy a cheap gun and do it at home(alone). Did they have the buddy syatem before she killed herself(never happened before then/there)?
Suicide is reality and too often people never recognize the signs around them. People who are suicidal often use the easiest means. For example in army basic training multiple people tried, they had guns but no ammo, because ammo was issued on a range basic. One guy used the blanks he was issued with the end of a cleaning rod, another tried to od on pills, but they took him to the hospital, another tried to jump off the third story but broke both his legs and lived, last one she tried to hang herself from the bars of the balcony, with bedsheets, and they did not hold and she lived.
Suicide happens often because people feel alienated, unloved, or like they are a burden to the world. Most people who commit suicide actually give off plenty signs, like a last ditch effort hoping someone will stop them showing they care. In san francisco ot is common for people to jump off a bridge. I remember a story about a guy crying ready to jump, and a couple asked him to take their picture, which he did handed them the camera then jumped.
Too often the signs exist, but people get too caught up in their own lives to notice trouble in others.
In every known instance the patient has reached out to someone, or some organization. There are defined patterns like isolating, only going out at night etc., but severe changes in behavior. If substances are involved we estimate the patient will reach out, but is defeated by the lack of a "quick fix."
Having been trained to be at the end of the phone people like that call, I can attest to a pattern of behavior. We had a list of questions, as often they won't come directly at the deed, but talk around it. I had one survivor who said that calling for help was like an instinct, but a threat as well. In the back of his mind he always knew if he said the wrong words, he could get hospitalized. As a recovering alcoholic I have been to some amazing meetings, but there is nothing like a peer-to-peer suicide meeting, where survivors work with others, including the grief of the family left behind.
You are right, most people are just too wrapped up in their own stuff. But, they are also afraid. Too few people have any clue what to do when a friend or family member starts acting strangely; too often there is estrangement caused by the disease/addiction.
In the end though, there are those who are going to accomplish their objective, no matter what. I worked with a young man who "slipped" and ended up with brain damage from crack. His short-term memory was shot. He would get on a bus and forget why before he reached a stop. He was "interdicted" four times in six days by Vancouver Police department, which is an intervention for anyone in distress, panicked, disoriented etc. In one he was almost shot as he was holding a piece of metal which he had no idea he'd done. All this sober.
He died of an overdose, one hit, about two months after he came out of detox. Autopsy showed there had not been on-going use, it was well into the 'lethal' arena. We figure he just couldn't live brain damaged.
Evolution in action. If she wants to die, let her die. Who cares?
What compassion you have.
Yes, ignore the only one making any actual sense.
Thing is you're not making any sense. Someone who is suicidal is mentally ill. Their desire to die is based on THAT. If you were making sense you'd consider that.
No, you're just so terrified of death that you are ASSERTING mental illness because you can't understand why anyone would not want to live.
It does happen. In my experience when people want a way out they'll find a way. There's not much else a range can do about it.
At least she didn't decide to take anyone else with her.
No, you're making idiotic assumptions that have no basis in reality. Suicidal people are mentally ill. They most often suffer from severe depression, though other mental illness can also cause suicidal behavior. Interestingly enough, when the mental illness is alleviated, nearly always the suicidal behavior is, too. If you don't understand a topic, it would be a good idea if you didn't speak about it, Cephus... and you certainly don't seem like you understand this one.
What is you definition of "suicidal people" cause some people who actually do suicide are stone sane..... they just dont want to stick around anymore, the value is gone.
This is why in many places we have doc assisted suicide.
Ya know?
Believe it or not, more people die that way, of their own choice than we think. PTSD symptoms are as common as a cold, a result I am told of a rapidly and increasingly complex society. No one sits anymore, I mean, just sits and contemplates whatever. everything is in motion, the audio portion pierced routinely with electrical beeps. Everything beeps, trucks backing up, bank machines, the chair ramp on a bus, cell phones. We seldom engage one another. Alone kills.
We have no way of knowing which OD deaths is intended, nor that of single car accidents.
All that takes a toll. Additions and alcoholism, rates are higher than they have ever been, and no one, I mean no one has even started to get a handle on mental illness. Treated, depression/anxiety disorder becomes an annoyance; untreated it kills. Unfortunately, we are still in the dark ages on mental illness. It still has a stigma, and one that prevents people from seeking help.
In this case she thought it out, knew what she intended to do and when presented with a barrier found a way to overcome it. What irony though...had she had that kind of inventiveness in her life as she did in seeking her death....
d she been taught to show as much fortitude and inventiveness in her life, she could have been helped. But, that's the way of most suicides, once the decision made that's it. And it is said, once the manner of death is decided by the patient, there is no hope without intervention. BTW, it is not true they always leave a note, they almost never do. They do, however, usually reach out to one person before the deed is done...
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