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LSD relieves anxiety

Allan

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I had a friend in college who said she took LSD once every year to "ground her". I've read stuff before about it being able to require the brain in positive ways. I think there have been studies on using it to treat PTSD effectively.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
I had a friend in college who said she took LSD once every year to "ground her".
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We should set up our own double-blind peer-reviewed study, on the Dungeon Masters.

Threadbans and flaming skulls will be our measurement criteria for success.
 
Allan said:
This is an interesting study. A single dose of LSD provided lasting relief from anxiety disorder.

I've never taken LSD. Have you, and what are your thoughts on these results?



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Often, back in the day. I loved hallucinogenics. Can't say I ever got any benefits from acid beyond a sure cure for boredom but I never saw anything that could be cause for the occasional hysteria over it either.
 
Grand Mal said:
Often, back in the day. I loved hallucinogenics. Can't say I ever got any benefits from acid beyond a sure cure for boredom but I never saw anything that could be cause for the occasional hysteria over it either.
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So there's no risk we could turn the DMs psycho?
 
A single dose of MM120 (lysergide d-tartrate)....
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I guess 100 micrograms might be beneficial. "lysergide d-tartrate" isn't the LSD I took roughly 55 years ago, and I took more like 500 micrograms. I don't think that dosage would be helpful for anyone suffering from anxiety -- quite the opposite. It is a massively potent drug that, to me, seems to release and fire all your brain neurons at once. Whoa! The effect is quite.... amazing.

I wouldn't say I hallucinated, but I certainly saw things differently. The pattern on the solid walls was moving around. I looked at my friend's face, and he looked like a cartoon character. I once took my surfboard and paddled out... I didn't do any surfing but just looked around. The undulating ocean was this huge paisley surface. I mean, it was really paisley! Gorgeous.

The first time was a bit scary, so there was surely some anxiety associated with it, but also, as I said, amazing. My friend put on a piece of classical music, and it was like, wow! That first time, the only real concern was, am I ever going to come down? Well, yes, you do come down, but you just gradually get back to normal -- there's no downer or crash like speed or cocaine or opiates, not that I took much of that stuff. It is NOT a drug to "party" with. With all your neurons released, it's more for... uh, thinking... contemplating small details... It's nothing like you've ever taken before, that's for sure.
 
Allan said:
This is an interesting study. A single dose of LSD provided lasting relief from anxiety disorder.

I've never taken LSD. Have you, and what are your thoughts on these results?



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Way back in the day, literally a half a century ago, I indulged in hallucinogenics. Now, whether or not my lack of anxiety was due to the hallucinogenics, or due to having not a care in the World, I cannot say. But yeah, back then..... no anxiety.
 
Allan said:
This is an interesting study. A single dose of LSD provided lasting relief from anxiety disorder.

I've never taken LSD. Have you, and what are your thoughts on these results?



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I definitely felt much happier and focused when, quite some time ago, I still had access to those and shrooms. Came up with some of my best arguments during trips. (I'd have a pad with me if I was at home an scribble down any such thoughts. True, most were bad ideas and that's assuming I could read the handwriting the next day. But some were really quite nice).


Then again, I'd be willing to bed it does not tamp down anxiety-long term if the user takes too much or simply isn't built for psychedelics and has a very bad time of it.
 
Allan said:
This is an interesting study. A single dose of LSD provided lasting relief from anxiety disorder.

I've never taken LSD. Have you, and what are your thoughts on these results?
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I've had direct experience with LSD, and a host of other hallucinogenics - mostly back before the turn of the millennium. Always an A++. It was a very useful tool and one that, were it not for some of the very deep seeded psychopathologies that some damaged people carry, I would recommend to everyone. For persons totally unfamiliar with hallucinogenics, they should never be taken outside a safe space, and without the supervision of a trusted guide.

One of my only regrets in life is that I never had the opportunity to take my step father to Amsterdam, and introduce him to hallucinogenics. He was always such an anxious and fearful person who could have benefited greatly from the mind and heart expansions that are inherent in some of those drugs. Alas, he passed away quite unexpectedly about 8 years ago, so I never had a chance to make his life more peaceful, as I had hoped.
 
Okay, so I was scrolling by and I thought the title of this thread was LDS Relieves Anxiety. Now, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a Mormon have a Karen moment, but I doubt it is as relieving as LSD! :)

Yeah, I know, I'm trippin' :)

But seriously, back in the late 80s it was the cheapest party drug around. For 5 bucks you could go for 8 hours while everyone around you was breaking the bank. Since I was a street kid back then, the ritual was to drop acid, hit the dance floor, and let the rhythm and colored lights/strobes take you to a whole new place.

And--no hangover :)

That ended when I graduated High School though--my dealer was another student and I never saw him after graduation. Life was so different back then--no cellphones, no facebook, etc. Makes me think of that song "All Summer Long" about wondering what the old crew is up to these days.

Thanks for the "trip" down memory lane :)
 
Nomad4Ever said:
I had a friend in college who said she took LSD once every year to "ground her". I've read stuff before about it being able to require the brain in positive ways. I think there have been studies on using it to treat PTSD effectively.
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During my freewheelin’ party days I’ve done a lot of it. I’ve never felt pure joy and happiness like you feel on a good trip. It’s like you are inside a magical world full of laughter and warmth. It reminds me of returning to the innocence of childhood. You’re just happy to be alive, happy to be breathing, stuff that was old is new again. It’s wild. Never felt anything like it before.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I have used LSD in high school and know many people who used it long term.

Most of the long term users are now living on the state's expense.

Totally useless.
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Yeah, I got off that train young enough. Sober from alcohol and drugs 8 years this year when I was 28
 
RetiredUSN said:
I have used LSD in high school and know many people who used it long term.

Most of the long term users are now living on the state's expense.

Totally useless.
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I don't think it's meant to be a long term use thing. :)
 
OlNate said:
I don't think it's meant to be a long term use thing. :)
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I haven’t bought into the microdosing phenomenon. Take very small amounts everyday as a mood stabilizer. You may want to read some of the articles out there on that
 
MamboDervish said:
I've had direct experience with LSD, and a host of other hallucinogenics - mostly back before the turn of the millennium. Always an A++. It was a very useful tool and one that, were it not for some of the very deep seeded psychopathologies that some damaged people carry, I would recommend to everyone. For persons totally unfamiliar with hallucinogenics, they should never be taken outside a safe space, and without the supervision of a trusted guide.
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And a trusted guide who has tripped, whether it was LSD, shrooms, peyote, etc.

That said, I always loved solo trips. I never needed a sitter, lost control, or thought anything was fine when it wasn't. I always knew what was real and not real. Some people are just plain built for it. Though group trips were also wonderful. Different animal, more hilarity, less interesting thoughts.

I could even eat 5g or more of shrooms and my wife couldn't tell if I was tripping. Nor friends. Unless perhaps the lights were really low and the pupils dialated a bunch.
 
Winston said:
I haven’t bought into the microdosing phenomenon. Take very small amounts everyday as a mood stabilizer. You may want to read some of the articles out there on that
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Not sure how it works with acid, but microdosing with mushrooms isn't supposed to be an everyday thing either. My sister is on that regimen, i think it's two days on, three days off, or something like that. But i guess that's long term too, if not an every day thing.

But i meant more the epic trips that i assumed was being talked about in what i was responding to. Back in the day i was all about the heroic doses of mushrooms - the minimum was 4 grams, but I've taken close to a half ounce more than a couple times, with my average being around 7 grams. It was always an incredible experience, and I've never had a bad trip... but i wasn't trying to "go again" for at least a few days after trips like that, even when i was heavy into it. I haven't done them at all since my son came into the picture because the day after can be rough... hehe
 
Winston said:
During my freewheelin’ party days I’ve done a lot of it. I’ve never felt pure joy and happiness like you feel on a good trip. It’s like you are inside a magical world full of laughter and warmth. It reminds me of returning to the innocence of childhood. You’re just happy to be alive, happy to be breathing, stuff that was old is new again. It’s wild. Never felt anything like it before.
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Have you ever tried mdma? My goodness, i loved that stuff. In terms of just pure joy, that beats all.

I gave it up soon after i started, but not before thoroughly trying it... hehe... at the end of the day i wasn't a fan of the culture (because every drug definitely has its own culture and scene), and i was starting to like it too much, so i stopped and never went back... but man, what a ride. Not as instructional as psychedelics, at least not for me, but so fun and happy.

Mdma is another drug, by the way, that has well documented uses in therapy, and is especially good in dealing with trauma and couples counseling.
 
Allan said:
This is an interesting study. A single dose of LSD provided lasting relief from anxiety disorder.

I've never taken LSD. Have you, and what are your thoughts on these results?



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Yup!
Could you repeat the second question?

Seriously, how anxious can you be when you've had the experience of perceiving only the present moment?

"...Faith in the future, out of the now"

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Ram Dass (born Richard Alpert; April 6, 1931 – December 22, 2019),[1] also known as Baba Ram Dass, was an American spiritual teacher, guru of modern yoga,[2] psychologist, and writer. His best-selling[3] 1971 book Be Here Now, which has been described by multiple reviewers as "seminal",[4][5][6] helped popularize Eastern spirituality and yoga in the West.[7] He authored or co-authored twelve more books on spirituality over the next four decades, including Grist for the Mill (1977), How Can I Help? (1985), and Polishing the Mirror (2013).

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OlNate said:
Not sure how it works with acid, but microdosing with mushrooms isn't supposed to be an everyday thing either. My sister is on that regimen, i think it's two days on, three days off, or something like that. But i guess that's long term too, if not an every day thing.

But i meant more the epic trips that i assumed was being talked about in what i was responding to. Back in the day i was all about the heroic doses of mushrooms - the minimum was 4 grams, but I've taken close to a half ounce more than a couple times, with my average being around 7 grams. It was always an incredible experience, and I've never had a bad trip... but i wasn't trying to "go again" for at least a few days after trips like that, even when i was heavy into it. I haven't done them at all since my son came into the picture because the day after can be rough... hehe
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I used to take 2-5 hits of acid but, if it was strong enough you only needed 1. That was plenty to get where you needed to be. Anything more and you have visions, you go somewhere else. In my experience pretty much everybody comes back eventually, albeit with some personality quirks perhaps.

Prolly a lot of material out there to read if you wanna find out about what heavy psychedelic drug use looks like for multiple decades. Grateful Dead, Phish, Shroomery.org if it’s still around, books covering Kesey, Jerry Garcia, Neal Cassady, Bill Graham, Owsley Stanley, it’s actually pretty well documented
 
Mr Person said:
And a trusted guide who has tripped, whether it was LSD, shrooms, peyote, etc.

That said, I always loved solo trips. I never needed a sitter, lost control, or thought anything was fine when it wasn't. I always knew what was real and not real. Some people are just plain built for it. Though group trips were also wonderful. Different animal, more hilarity, less interesting thoughts.

I could even eat 5g or more of shrooms and my wife couldn't tell if I was tripping. Nor friends. Unless perhaps the lights were really low and the pupils dialated a bunch.
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Definitely agree with the "some people are built for it" bit. It would be interesting to understand what the difference is.

I can tell you it has nothing to do how they are sober. I've seen the biggest, toughest guys whimpering on the fetal position after 3g of mushrooms, and the tiniest, most timid girls taking heroic doses that even made me say damn, and be totally OK with their journeys - although the latter is rare. I'm not sure what drives it, but i have noticed within my circles that women have more bad trips than men... purely anecdotal, but that's been my experience.

Do you like eating them or drinking them better? I'm a tea guy myself.
 
OlNate said:
Have you ever tried mdma? My goodness, i loved that stuff. In terms of just pure joy, that beats all.

I gave it up soon after i started, but not before thoroughly trying it... hehe... at the end of the day i wasn't a fan of the culture (because every drug definitely has its own culture and scene), and i was starting to like it too much, so i stopped and never went back... but man, what a ride. Not as instructional as psychedelics, at least not for me, but so fun and happy.

Mdma is another drug, by the way, that has well documented uses in therapy, and is especially good in dealing with trauma and couples counseling.
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Yeah, I was a music producer and DJ in the regional scenes here, I dabbled in MDMA. They don’t call it the Love Drug for no reason. It makes you love everyone and everything about them. There are plenty of dark sides to the illicit drug game and it’s wise of your to head back through the door you opened. Still, I would love to see the government loosen laws regarding both MDMA and LSD. Because mature use is rewarding and can help you find out things about yourself you are repressing
 
Winston said:
I used to take 2-5 hits of acid but, if it was strong enough you only needed 1. That was plenty to get where you needed to be. Anything more and you have visions, you go somewhere else. In my experience pretty much everybody comes back eventually, albeit with some personality quirks perhaps.

Prolly a lot of material out there to read if you wanna find out about what heavy psychedelic drug use looks like for multiple decades. Grateful Dead, Phish, Shroomery.org if it’s still around, books covering Kesey, Jerry Garcia, Neal Cassady, Bill Graham, Owsley Stanley, it’s actually pretty well documented
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I'd love to try acid some day. By the time i was brave enough to try it, it had kind of gone out of style and was impossible to find.
 
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