Lower the voting age in America to 16

[EMNofSeattle]

It is. Please tell me why you think granting voting access to ALL 16 year olds has anything to do with Democrats.

Because you wouldn’t support it otherwise

 

[Gordy327]

There is nothing in the constitution granting marriage licenses for sodomy.

What does sodomy have to do with marriage? Marriage is simply a legal contract between 2 consenting adults. Do you think heterosexual couples do not engage in sodomy?

 

[Gordy327]

He is, but, in fairness, he has probably never lived some place like that.

I wonder if he would be OK if one of his rights was denied or removed by popular vote?

 

[Slyfox696]

I wonder if he would be OK if one of his rights was denied or removed by popular vote?

No, but I have no doubt he'd be completely okay if someone else's rights were.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

What does sodomy have to do with marriage? Marriage is simply a legal contract between 2 consenting adults. Do you think heterosexual couples do not engage in sodomy?

All homosexual behavior is sodomy by default.

 

[Slyfox696]

Because you wouldn’t support it otherwise

Absolutely I would. Hell, where I live, it would make it more likely Republicans would win more elections. Again, my positions on things do not revolve around team politics. You should try it sometime.

 

[Gordy327]

No, but I have no doubt he'd be completely okay if someone else's rights were.

Especially if they were homosexual apparently.

 

[Gordy327]

All homosexual behavior is sodomy by default.

What about heterosexuals? Do you think they don't engage in sodomy? And again, what does sodomy have to do with marriage?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I too am okay restoring voting rights once a sentence has been served, debt paid.

When you commit a serious crime your debt to society is never “repaid”

As a practical manner we can’t keep people in prison forever, but once you’re convicted you are a convict forever unless you are pardoned or the conviction vacated.

 

[Ren]

Prior to the MAGA outbreak I thought 16 was too immature and not worldly enough. But since I've been disillusioned by the "matured" voting minds of MAGAts why the hell not let 16 year olds vote they certainly can't do any worse.
Actually to the contrary, 16 year olds are idealistic and haven't sold out nor are they fully vested in our greedy system. It'd be great for Dems.

It sounds great until one learns that the vast majority of educators are ****ing democrats; then you have to realize that kids are already being brainwashed and that parents have to step in and reverse all the bullshit that's being taught in their kids classes.

No, it's critical that you stick with your original thoughts about 16 year olds. You were actually right about that one.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Especially if they were homosexual apparently.

There is no right to be granted a marriage license to “marry” a member of the same sex in the constitution, nor is there anywhere where homosexual behavior is declared equal to normal sexuality in the constitution. So this argument fails.

But really it shows that you are not in favor of democracy. To you democracy is a means to an end and if the people don’t cooperate with what you want you will just declare a non-existent “right” has been violated and use that pretext

 

[quip]

It sounds great until one learns that the vast majority of educators are ****ing democrats; then you have to realize that kids are already being brainwashed and that parents have to step in and reverse all the bullshit that's being taught in their kids classes.

You just galvanized my point.

 

[Ren]

19 year olds are also not even fully developed yet. But they get a vote. I believe it is generally considered 25 when most people are fully developed cognitively.

There's a pretty big difference between 16 and 19.

They should've stuck with 21.

 

[Ren]

You just galvanized my point.

I explained that parents need to counteract the left's propaganda, if not get it removed completely.

 

[NatMorton]

When you commit a serious crime your debt to society is never “repaid”

As a practical manner we can’t keep people in prison forever, but once you’re convicted you are a convict forever unless you are pardoned or the conviction vacated.

Don't agree with that. Let's say you steal a car and are sentenced to five years in prison. IMO, just as you've lost your right to freedom for those five years you should also lose your right to vote. After that, your debt is paid, and your freedom is restored, and I see no reason why you should have any restrictions on other basic rights.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Don't agree with that. Let's say you steal a car and are sentenced to five years in prison. IMO, just as you've lost your right to freedom for those five years you should also lose your right to vote. After that, your debt is paid, and your freedom is restored, and I see no reason why you should have any restrictions on other basic rights.

Because stealing a car is wrong and you should suffer long lasting consequences for it

 

[Ren]

What does lowering the voting age have to do with Democratic votes?

Democrat teachers seem to be indoctrinating America's youth. I believe I read that about 50% of today's teenagers identify as Socialist.

 

[NatMorton]

Because stealing a car is wrong and you should suffer long lasting consequences for it

Five years in the hole is nothing to sneeze at.

Again, whatever the "right" punishment is, I fail to see why voting rights should be withheld for a term longer than that punishment.

 

[NatMorton]

Perhaps we should withhold the vote until someone demonstrates at least three consecutive years of having a positive income tax liability? If you've demonstrated no ability to contribute financially to society, why should you have a say in how it's run?

 

[Gordy327]

There is no right to be granted a marriage license to “marry” a member of the same sex in the constitution, nor is there anywhere where homosexual behavior is declared equal to normal sexuality in the constitution. So this argument fails.

There was also no "right" to interracial marriage once either. So you should be opposed to that as well too, right? Fortunately, the SCOTUS favored equal rights. Sexual behavior is irrelevant and has no bearing on marriage or the constitution. So your argument fails on that point.

But really it shows that you are not in favor of democracy. To you democracy is a means to an end and if the people don’t cooperate with what you want you will just declare a non-existent “right” has been violated and use that pretext

I am in favor of a constitutional republic where all citizens have recognized equal rights. You clearly are not. And since we
This country is not a pure democracy, so your argument also fails on that point too! But hypothetically, if a democratic vote denied you certain rights, you would be OK with that?

 

[quip]

I explained that parents need to counteract the the left's propaganda, if not get it removed completely.

Your head's full of your own brand of paranoid propaganda.

 

[Gordy327]

Perhaps we should withhold the vote until someone demonstrates at least three consecutive years of having a positive income tax liability? If you've demonstrated no ability to contribute financially to society, why should you have a say in how it's run?

Perhaps an IQ test should be required to vote? Because there are a lot of idiots in this country.

 

[Ren]

Your head's full of your own brand of paranoid propaganda.

Notwithstanding what has overtaken your head.

 

[OrphanSlug]

True but Tik Tok doesn't call itself "News"

That hardly matters, no social media platform presents itself as "News."

Just about all of them advertise themselves as social media communications for "sharing" with family and friends, even if they all go about that in a slightly different way and/or allow "News" to be posted by whoever.

The point is when discussing lowering the voting age to 16 the natural response is to discuss influences, competency, and wisdom at 16 to make a choice.

As I said before, odds are this effort will never make it out of committee but the point we are discussing is "propaganda" of FoxNews pitted against where information comes from and what influences a 16 year old.

I do not see TikTok feeds or Instagram feeds as giving a 16 year old any better information than FoxNews (or CNN for that matter.) That sort of quick statement, meme, bumper sticker mentality does not do much for really anyone that considers social media their platform for becoming "informed." I would go so far as to call that person a political useful idiot.

 

[LouC]

I voted OTHER in the Poll.

Quite frankly I am 50/50 sitting right on that roads centerline, sorry, of believing it is a good idea with equal notion it is a bad idea.

What I would suggest is a Bill that would become Law where at the time of the Next Census the voting age is lowered to 17 and held there for 10 years, allowing for study and observation to determine if giving that power to 17 year olds has been good or bad for the Nation. If there is nothing to indicate it was a bad thing then at the next Census taking time it would be lowered to age 16, with the observation and study time being employed once more. If again at the end of the decade there is nothing to indicate lowering the age was detrimental to our Republic then we could keep it at age 16. I would not consider going any lower than 16.