Louisiana moves to make abortion pills ‘controlled dangerous substances’

[Gordy327]

not dodging anything,,

human life begins at conception and abortion results in the death of that life,,

Repeating irrelevant rhetoric is neither convincing or persuasive.

a fetus is just another way of saying child because the definition of fetus is OFFSPRING still in the womb,,

Wrong as usual. Fetus has a specific scientific definition. "Child" is just a generic umbrella term.

 

[Lursa]

thanks for your inquiry,,

I hope it makes you feel better about the issue.

 

[Gordy327]

I hope it makes you feel better about the issue.

It seems some only have or go by feelings. But nothing rational or logical.

 

[Lursa]

Repeating irrelevant rhetoric is neither convincing or persuasive.

Wrong as usual. Fetus has a specific scientific definition. "Child" is just a generic umbrella term.

Dont let them sidetrack with you semantics...that's their goal. If you cant make it black and white for them, they can continue to bob and weave.

Just remind them that science doesnt care if all the unborn, all the babies, or all the humans die. Science classifies and informs, it doesnt recognize rights or value.

 

[rational anarchist]

I hope it makes you feel better about the issue.

it changes nothing,,

I hope it makes you feel better about the issue.

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

 

[MamboDervish]

not dodging anything,,

Of course you are dodging it. Stop embarrassing yourself. Should families be able to pull the plug on loved ones dependent on life support who have been designated as brain dead? Yes of no?

human life begins at conception and abortion results in the death of that life,,

We've already debunked that. Move on and address ataraxia's question. Why are you afraid to?

 

[Lursa]

You're dodging the question. Don't tap dance. Is it human life or isn't it? What makes it less worthy of continuation?

Keep in mind the only goal of many anti-choice people: "As long as both survive the birth with a heartbeat." If one or both end up on a vent, or vegetables, or maimed for life or die shortly after, Yes, it's dehumanizing for both but that is what they are fighting for. Base and inhumane, clearly no moral High Ground.

 

[Lursa]

it changes nothing,,

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

Who said we could change science? Again...so what to both? Please cite where "science" says it's wrong to kill the unborn? Or any human? Or any species?

 

[Gordy327]

Dont let them sidetrack with you semantics...that's their goal. If you cant make it black and white for them, they can continue to bob and weave.

Trust me, I don't. Their feelings or emotional based arguments are always ineffective.

Just remind them that science doesnt care if all the unborn, all the babies, or all the humans die. Science classifies and informs, it doesnt recognize rights or value.

I do. But some prefer to ignore those facts because of feelings.

 

[Gordy327]

it changes nothing,,

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

Again, so what? You have yet to explain why that is somehow significant.

 

[Lursa]

We've already debunked that. Move on and address ataraxia's question. Why are you afraid to?

That's the trouble with semantic arguments...no agreement. That's why they wish black and white science was the answer, but it's not.

An individual living human is created at fertilization/implantation, Homo sapiens. That is scientific fact. But as I've written, science doesnt recognize value or rights for any species and doesnt care if any die or are killed. So...science is not the answer for anti-choicers no matter how much they try diversions using it.

So they use 'human being, baby, child, person," yada yada yada to try and blur the lines. The lines arent scientific or semantic...they're subjective and man-made. As are all rights and values.

 

[rational anarchist]

Keep in mind the only goal of many anti-choice people: "As long as both survive the birth with a heartbeat." If one or both end up on a vent, or vegetables, or maimed for life or die shortly after, Yes, it's dehumanizing for both but that is what they are fighting for. Base and inhumane, clearly no moral High Ground.

youre making a semantic argument,,

the fact is and will always be

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

 

[Gordy327]

youre making a semantic argument,,

the fact is and will always be

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

And the fact is that is irrelevant to the issue. Repeating yourself doesn't change that fact.

 

[Gordy327]

That's the trouble with semantic arguments...no agreement. That's why they wish black and white science was the answer, but it's not.

That's also why they tend to simply ignore anything which challenges or refutes their black and white narratives. It's like having color blind tunnel vision.

 

[MamboDervish]

youre making a semantic argument,,

the fact is and will always be

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

Still dodging the "human life" question on the brain dead, eh? And it's obvious why. A fetus exhibits no more sentience than a brain dead comatose patient in a hospital who awaits having their plug pulled.

 

[rational anarchist]

Still dodging the "human life" question on the brain dead, eh? And it's obvious why. A fetus exhibits no more sentience than a brain dead comatose patient in a hospital who awaits having their plug pulled.

a child in the womb isnt braindead,,

 

[Gordy327]

a child in the womb isnt braindead,,

The brain isn't fully developed or functional either, much less confer consciousness or sentience.

 

[MamboDervish]

a child in the womb isnt braindead,,

There is no child in the womb, and a fetus is not sentient.

It has no intention, no will, makes no plans, has no striving, no language, it does not seek, it has no thoughts, no dreams, no insights, no inspirations .... the lights may be on, but there's nobody home until it is born! A fetus has no self-directed animating force. It is no different than a body on life support in a hospital exhibiting a flat EEG. The body may continue to have reflexes, breathe, digest, circulate blood, grow hair and nails, etc, but the essence that defines it as a human being has moved on. It is no longer with us in the same way that a fetus has yet to arrive.

Neither is in possession of a self-directed animating force, because there is no self to direct it!

 

[Gordy327]

There is no child in the womb, and a fetus is not sentient.

It has no intention, no will, makes no plans, has no striving, no language, it does not seek, it has no thoughts, no dreams, no insights, no inspirations .... the lights may be on, but there's nobody home until it is born! A fetus has no self-directed animating force. It is no different than a body on life support in a hospital exhibiting a flat EEG. The body may continue to have reflexes, breathe, digest, circulate blood, grow hair and nails, etc, but the essence that defines it as a human being has moved on. It is no longer with us in the same way that a fetus has yet to arrive.

Neither is in possession of a self-directed animating force, because there is no self to direct it!

It should also be noted that an embryo/fetus is physically attached to and feeding off someone's body. That is a big point as well.

 

[MamboDervish]

It should also be noted that an embryo/fetus is physically attached to and feeding off someone's body. That is a big point as well.

Yet another similarity to being on life support systems, just like the "brain dead" in a hospital. Being intubated is similar to having an umbilical cord attached, except in one, you're the parasite of the hospital, and in the other, a parasite of a person. In terms of the life involved, abortion is no different than "pulling the plug".

 

[Lursa]

youre making a semantic argument,,

the fact is and will always be

I'm not making a semantic argument and we agree on what a human life is. What authority that Americans are obliged to follow? Stop stalling

human life begins at conception and abortion ends that human life,,

Yup. Who says killing abortion is wrong? What authority that Americans are obliged to follow? Stop stalling

 

[rational anarchist]

There is no child in the womb, and a fetus is not sentient.

It has no intention, no will, makes no plans, has no striving, no language, it does not seek, it has no thoughts, no dreams, no insights, no inspirations .... the lights may be on, but there's nobody home until it is born! A fetus has no self-directed animating force. It is no different than a body on life support in a hospital exhibiting a flat EEG. The body may continue to have reflexes, breathe, digest, circulate blood, grow hair and nails, etc, but the essence that defines it as a human being has moved on. It is no longer with us in the same way that a fetus has yet to arrive.

Neither is in possession of a self-directed animating force, because there is no self to direct it!

of course its a human child in the womb of a pregnant mother,,

what else could it be??

 

[rational anarchist]

Who says killing abortion is wrong? What authority that Americans are obliged to follow? Stop stalling

any civilized person says its wrong to murder an innocent child in the womb or out,,

 

[poppopfox]

of course its a human child in the womb of a pregnant mother,,

what else could it be??

You eat hot dogs, veal?

The number of male calves being killed straight after birth is on the rise again, despite efforts by the dairy industry to end the practice known as ‘the dirty secret’.

Early disposal is known as the ‘dirty secret’ by farmers, and none relish it. But keeping the calf to sell on to be raised for beef or veal means the farmer will have to rear them for two to four weeks to a good enough weight to interest buyers, at a typical cost of around £2 a day, with selling prices at market as low as £25-40. This doesn’t include extra costs such as getting the calf to market, registering its birth or veterinary bills.

In contrast, shooting the calf costs as little as £9, including the cost of the knackerman who will incinerate the body, or in some cases send them to kennels to be turned into dog food. Calves shot on farm cannot enter the human food chain and farmers can only dispose of calves themselves if they have a licensed incinerator.

Cows are sentient beings too.

 

[rational anarchist]

You eat hot dogs, veal?

The number of male calves being killed straight after birth is on the rise again, despite efforts by the dairy industry to end the practice known as ‘the dirty secret’.

Early disposal is known as the ‘dirty secret’ by farmers, and none relish it. But keeping the calf to sell on to be raised for beef or veal means the farmer will have to rear them for two to four weeks to a good enough weight to interest buyers, at a typical cost of around £2 a day, with selling prices at market as low as £25-40. This doesn’t include extra costs such as getting the calf to market, registering its birth or veterinary bills.

In contrast, shooting the calf costs as little as £9, including the cost of the knackerman who will incinerate the body, or in some cases send them to kennels to be turned into dog food. Calves shot on farm cannot enter the human food chain and farmers can only dispose of calves themselves if they have a licensed incinerator.

Cows are sentient beings too.

I have to ask,,

what is a woman??

how many genders are there??

please answer these so I can understand what I am dealing with,,