Louisiana Lawmaker Forced to Clarify There Was No ‘Good’ in Slavery

[Alizia Tyler]

They are also fighting a trend that they can slow down, but simply cannot stop. Populism, in the long run, always fails. and its not so much because it isn't popular (William Jennings Bryan was immensely popular), it can't win against reality. You can go backwards, but for only so long. certainly, white supremacy has been resilient, but then, it has pervaded every aspect of life.

Another example of the *wielding of labels* which do not adequately define or contain what is labeled. Because you mis-label you will also mis-understand. And you will therefore fail to understand what is rising against you and your absurd (in your case *communist*) doctrines and ideologies.

You cannot see yourselves. You only seem able to *see* what you project of yourself onto others.

Nearly everyone that I have enecounted on this forum who defines themselves as socialist, communist, very liberal, etc., makes similar errors of perception and definition. It is almost a fad. I have called it *hysteria* for god reason.

But your mis-labeling results in your mis-understanding of what will grow in intensity and position itself against you. The problem with this is that it will be a reactionary movement, and reaction is always rather blunt and not particularly careful.

 

[Tigerace117]

A mindless, cartoon-like statement typical of your basic position. You are locked into this mode of seeing. And you think that because you can apply these terms that you believe that they accurately define those who are working to oppose you errored positions, that you honestly and fairly describe that opposition.

Your mistake is there. But you will not even rectify it. At this point I doubt if you could carry out the inner work necessary to arrive at a more honest position.

You will render yourself irrelevant however. And the struggle going on in America will continue to go on. Those you define as *deplorables* (this is really the core of your position) will continue to define themselves in direct and honest ways. And they will eventually (I suggest) overpower you.

Nah, what’s cartoon-like is your complete inability to comprehend why people would have an issue with celebrating a regime which explicitly went to war to protect slavery, your endless sobbing over people condemning a terrorist group responsible for hundreds of murders, and your desperate attempts to shore up the weakness of your claims by using fifty words when five would do.

People like you will continue to sob as Confederate statues come down(oh, and given the Trump cult’s further actions, “deplorables” was putting it mildly).....and you won’t be able to stop it. Neither will the Trump cult, especially as it increasingly defines itself “directly and honestly” as the party of angry white people longing for the days of Jim Crow.

The Lost Cause is dead. It’s never coming back. Get over it.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Are you seriously trying to argue that there was ANYTHING wrong with rounding up the death squad which brutally murdered three college kids for the “crime” of helping people vote?

Not quite. What I am saying however is that the real history of the North-South political struggle has yet to be seen and described in true terms. It is usually presented through a series of part-truths and semi-truths.

My understanding is that the Northern invasion and occupation of the South did nothing at all *good* and did not result in a *positive, productive outcome*.

The imposition of Northern authority within the economy and culture of the South provokes reaction, resistance, and also tended to produce or augment the tendency of the hierarchy of the South to defend its interests. One of those results seemed to have been para-military action against African Americans.

We can examine other situations where invasion and imposition are used. In modern times the conquest and occupation of notable nations has tended to drive the established orders underground and to provoke reaction. Perhaps Iraq and perhaps Afghanistan can be referred to. Once the occupier has left then those who resisted the occupier tend to come out and to reassert their power.

The think about you is that your are *myopic*. You see through a single, limited and also pre-established lens and you actually believe you are seeing clearly (and fairly and justly). But I say you are not.

The essential *wrong thing* was to have invaded a country — a whole group of states — that had determined it wanted to secede, and which had a host of reasons why they wished to do this. By provoking a war of such consequence it set in motion vast ranges of negative, not positive, consequences that soured and polluted the entire situation. Once the wound has been inflicted, the wound continues to exist as a wound.

What I have determined that I defend is the sovereignty pf the Confederate states as-against the Northern intrusion and imposition. And because I have this position it induces me to interpret the following history differently in so many categories.

None of this is comprehensible and you will come out with some silly reductionist statement against what I say here. Likely to include the verbs *to squeal* and *to squirm* (et cetera et cetera!)

You cannot hear . . . for all that you have ears!

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Neither will the Trump cult, especially as it increasingly defines itself “directly and honestly” as the party of angry white people longing for the days of Jim Crow.

This is a totally false statement. Not just part-false but quite nearly entirely false. And that is why I say that your mis-statements and your (deliberate) mis-understandings block you entirely from clear seeing.

It will result in tragedy. But everyone who has lives even a little while has had to face what results when any one of us mis-understands reality through a form of stubborn blindness.

You will not be able to hear what I am saying though . . . for all that you have ears!

 

[Tigerace117]

Not quite. What I am saying however is that the real history of the North-South political struggle has yet to be seen and described in true terms. It is usually presented through a series of part-truths and semi-truths.

My understanding is that the Northern invasion and occupation of the South did nothing at all *good* and did not result in a *positive, productive outcome*.

The imposition of Northern authority within the economy and culture of the South provokes reaction, resistance, and also tended to produce or augment the tendency of the hierarchy of the South to defend its interests. One of those results seemed to have been para-military action against African Americans.

We can examine other situations where invasion and imposition are used. In modern times the conquest and occupation of notable nations has tended to drive the established orders underground and to provoke reaction. Perhaps Iraq and perhaps Afghanistan can be referred to. Once the occupier has left then those who resisted the occupier tend to come out and to reassert their power.

The think about you is that your are *myopic*. You see through a single, limited and also pre-established lens and you actually believe you are seeing clearly (and fairly and justly). But I say you are not.

The essential *wrong thing* was to have invaded a country — a whole group of states — that had determined it wanted to secede, and which had a host of reasons why they wished to do this. By provoking a war of such consequence it set in motion vast ranges of negative, not positive, consequences that soured and polluted the entire situation. Once the wound has been inflicted, the wound continues to exist as a wound.

What I have determined that I defend is the sovereignty pf the Confederate states as-against the Northern intrusion and imposition. And because I have this position it induces me to interpret the following history differently in so many categories.

None of this is comprehensible and you will come out with some silly reductionist statement against what I say here. Likely to include the verbs *to squeal* and *to squirm* (et cetera et cetera!)

You cannot hear . . . for all that you have ears!

The “real history” has already been “exposed”; it is the Lost Cause you admire so much which was a clear cut case of blatant lies designed to white-wash the Confederate cause due to Southern unwillingness to own up to the fact that what they were fighting for was so incredibly evil.

Uh......destroying slavery, to name just the OBVIOUS example. It takes a special kind of stupidity to think that crushing slavers wasn’t “productive, positive, or good”.

Southerners desperately tried to protect slavery. Everyone already knows that. We also know that they engaged in a campaign of terrorism which lasted for a century, imposing a tyrannical regime across the South. Those are simply the historical facts.

There certainly is a certain degree of overlap between ISIS, the Taliban, and the Confederates you admire so much, yes. Congrats on proving my point

The thing about you is that you are so in love with a regime which you see as defending white supremacy and slavery(which, in your fantasy world, is a good thing) that you are totally unable to face the truth about it. It was the South, not the North, which provoked the war due to arrogance and fanaticism, and which reaped the whirlwind as a result.

You are a Neo Confederate, we know. But gee, thanks for outright admitting it.

 

[Tigerace117]

This is a totally false statement. Not just part-false but quite nearly entirely false. And that is why I say that your mis-statements and your (deliberate) mis-understandings block you entirely from clear seeing.

It will result in tragedy. But everyone who has lives even a little while has had to face what results when any one of us mis-understands reality through a form of stubborn blindness.

You will not be able to hear what I am saying though . . . for all that you have ears!

Nope, the Trump cult is absolutely full of people like you, who admire and celebrate the Confederacy, and sob bitterly about the government crushing Jim Crow.

If the Trump cult wants to commit treason AGAIN, that’s on them. No one else. Period.

The Trump cult and its allies will continue to expose themselves....and continue to lose. Over, and over, and over again.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Nope

There is really nothing more to say, obviously. You define me as you do and no power on Earth can or will change that. It is a mistaken view though. It is not absolutely false though, it is significantly false and errored. And you do this in a host of different areas, not just this one.

I regard you as deranged. (In the sense of out of alignment, with a compass that cannot work correctly and a sexton that will always mis-guide you).

You have certain views that you insist must be real and true. You impose them on reality with the full force of your energy and personality. There is no way to talk to you, to encourage you to see other perspectives, and for this reason I say

"You cannot hear . . . for all that you have ears". ​

 

[Tigerace117]

There is really nothing more to say, obviously. You define me as you do and no power on Earth can or will change that. It is a mistaken view though. It is not absolutely false though, it is significantly false and errored. And you do this in a host of different areas, not just this one.

I regard you as deranged. (In the sense of out of alignment, with a compass that cannot work correctly and a sexton that will always mis-guide you).

You have certain views that you insist must be real and true. You impose them on reality with the full force of your energy and personality. There is no way to talk to you, to encourage you to see other perspectives, and for this reason I say

"You cannot hear . . . for all that you have ears". ​

You are the one who has exposed yourself as a Neo-Confederate and wailed about the slavers being crushed.

You are the one who has happily engaged in apologism for a regime which explicitly went to war to continue buying and selling other human beings.

You throwing a tantrum because the historical facts have shown the Lost Cause lies you hold so dear to be bullshit changes nothing.

As I said before, you are so in love with a regime which you see as defending white supremacy and slavery(which, in your fantasy world, is a good thing) that you are totally unable to face the truth about it.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

As I said before

You are wondrous. Not quite as wondrous as FTP but close!

 

[Tigerace117]

You are wondrous. Not quite as wondrous as FTP but close!

I’m sure to a Neo Confederate like yourself the idea that anyone wouldn’t be okay with a regime which went to war to continue buying and selling other human beings is “wondrous”.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

a Neo Confederate

. . . a squealing, sobbing and squirming neo-confederate to you, buster!

 

[Tigerace117]

. . . a squealing, sobbing and squirming neo-confederate to you, buster!

Gee bud, you said it, not me

 

[Alizia Tyler]

you said it, not me

. . . another untrue statement!

 

[Tigerace117]

. . . another untrue statement!

Your latest statement is indeed untrue bud

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Let me clarify

Don’t we all wish

 

[j brown's body]

Another example of the *wielding of labels* which do not adequately define or contain what is labeled. Because you mis-label you will also mis-understand. And you will therefore fail to understand what is rising against you and your absurd (in your case *communist*) doctrines and ideologies.

You cannot see yourselves. You only seem able to *see* what you project of yourself onto others.

Nearly everyone that I have enecounted on this forum who defines themselves as socialist, communist, very liberal, etc., makes similar errors of perception and definition. It is almost a fad. I have called it *hysteria* for god reason.

But your mis-labeling results in your mis-understanding of what will grow in intensity and position itself against you. The problem with this is that it will be a reactionary movement, and reaction is always rather blunt and not particularly careful.

Its a gag.

 

[j brown's body]

. . . a squealing, sobbing and squirming neo-confederate to you, buster!

Locquacious.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Locquacious

Mellifluous….

 

[Ouroboros]

All you've demonstrated is you can't say something bad about the Confederates.

And I thank you.

Already made an equally negative statement on the joint self interests of North and South in post 2451. I'm not surprised you didn't comprehend it, since Mad Libs only see what they want to see. And if an individual chooses not to believe the one-sided narrative promulgated by Mad Libs, they just shield their eyes and ears like the famous monkeys-- though never their mouths, of course.

 

[Ouroboros]

Yawn. I get that you don’t possess the spine to face the reality that your heroes were fighting to defend slavery, but even for you that’s a joke.

But what else can one expect from someone so proud of a regime which declared that “an attack on slavery was an attack on civilization”?

Tiger, tiger, burning dim,
This argument's too hard for him,
So a broken record he will be,
Re-repeating, "Slavery!"

 

[Ouroboros]

Go back to blubbering into your Klan robes about what a victim you think you are because nobody’s buying your Lost Cause lies bud

You accusing me of being in Klan robes justifies me in asking how many small businesses you burned down during the Summer of Hate. Were you all that careful about whether you only torched white owned businesses? Or maybe a few black and brown people got burned by your righteous fury.

 

[Ouroboros]

So you think we replaced slavery with something worse, and your big serve with it is to tell me BUT LIBTARDS DID IT TOO.

There's nothing anyone living now can do about the evils of the past, only those of the present-- and the madness of the Mad Libs is the greatest evil at this historical time.

I don't use "Libtards" because it sounds like something a Mad Lib made up.

 

[Ouroboros]

oh lawd no one cares

Speak for yourself, Auntie Mad.

 

[Ouroboros]

In a term - "white folks everywhere." In a sense, the south won the Civil War.

Nope, both sides lost it.

 

[Ouroboros]

Just curious, what good things came out of Southern civilization?

For one thing, the cotton industry, which gave our fledgling country clout in the international market. Could it have been done with free labor? Sure, and Islam probably could have built an empire without selling slaves. "Mighta, coulda, shoulda" don't change the real effects in history, though.