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Louisiana Food Stamp Abusers Will Lose Benefits Over Wal-Mart Free For All

excellent point
 
Mason66 said:
I find it odd that you excuse outright theft by the "buyers"
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Well, considering that I never did such a thing and have actively called for these individuals to be punished since the original story was posted here, that is hardly surprising. Being that it underlines a basic issue with your reading and reasoning skills likely dependent on ideological rigidness
 
Deuce said:
I think WalMart clearly attempted to defraud an assistance program but nobody seems to be demanding the managers there be put in jail.
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this is the correct response
the government suffered no loss for the unauthorized purchases
then the government should not try to 'solve' a problem it did not create
had the retailers followed protocol, the SNAP recipients could not have purchased more than $50
so, let the retailers deal with the fraud perpetrated against them. let them sue the food stamp recipients who defrauded them out of food exceeding what was actually available on their cards
jindal is just grandstanding to impress the tea party
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
They approve the transaction when someone writes them a bad check, too.
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and jindal does not step in and take away their check books or rubber pencils
the retailers are left to recover from those who stole from them
which is exactly what should happen in this instance
 

all that is actually known from this vignette is that the wal mart manager failed to follow established protocol when not limiting SNAP purchases to $50
so, if wal mart believes it can prove fraud, then it should do so in the courts
but since the buyers were unabe to determine how much was actually available on their cards at the time of purchase, establishing that they knowingly exceeded their card limit is going to be difficult to prove
 

but then you had ready access to transportation. a minor inconvenience as you could return with your own car on another day

no so much for the guy who lives in the boonies and just used his last dollars to pay for a ride into town to go grocery shopping
 
LaMidRighter said:
It is absolutely theft and fraud and a damn shame that people would do this. If I wrote a large check that returned NSF or a continuing series of such in full knowledge that would be a felony, so this should be considered one too.
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but the governor would not be the person who would make a public statement terminating your ability to write a check in the future. the party you stole from would have to do the legal work to recover their loss
 

I have absolutely no sympathy for individuals who blatantly tried to take advantage of a assistance program, if it was those directly receiving those funds or those who facilitated those purchases. And being that the current solution is to let walmart eat their losses and canceling the benefits of those who tried to exploit the bug, I fail to see how either side of the political isle can claim unfair treatment here. Well, besides rational individuals not catering to their political interests.

And to that, i say tough **** to the lot of you
 
justabubba said:
what did they steal from the government?
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they clearly attempted to exploit an assistance program. Why anyone would simply excuse that is beyond me
 

but wal mart and the other affected retailers who accepted cards that were without enough in the account to cover the purchases should be responsible for effecting their own recoveries. it was their mistake to accept those cards for purchases exceeding $50. jindal has no need to step in
except to show the teabaggers he is still relevant
 
MrVicchio said:
Who is issued the EBT card?

That is the responsible party.
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wrong

who incorrectly processed the payment using a SNAP account
THAT is the responsible party
 

in your example the bank would be the one to pursue recovery of any losses
and in this circumstance the retailer (wal mart) should pursue recovery

then why the **** is jindal intruding himself in this matter
 
justabubba said:
wrong

who incorrectly processed the payment using a SNAP account
THAT is the responsible party
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In Justabubba world maybe. You got an EBT card? You got no responsibility to use it right. It must be a bad place you inhabit.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
they clearly attempted to exploit an assistance program. Why anyone would simply excuse that is beyond me
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you failed to answer the question
what did they steal from the government?

as i see it, nothing
which then causes me to question why the government/jindal has intruded on this

but show us what the government lost such that the governor's participation should be found reasonable
 
MrVicchio said:
In Justabubba world maybe. You got an EBT card? You got no responsibility to use it right. It must be a bad place you inhabit.
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the users of the SNAP benefits tendered their card to the retailer, which retailer determined that there was no reason not to allow the massive amount of foods to be carted out of the store as a legitimate purchase
this was a retailer FUBAR
let the retailer deal with the recovery of its losses
have the government - which sustained no loss - stay out of it
jindal intruded where he does not belong
but it had the intended effect
the teabaggers now rally in support of his effort
to rescind the SNAP benefits of those who were allowed to leave the store with more food than they had SNAP benefits to pay, because the retailer failed to follow the $50 limit protocol
 
MrVicchio said:
Ideology. Poor people can't be bad, their poor.
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of course poor people can be bad
but why should the governor involve himself and the government in this matter
the retailers failed to follow the protocol they agree to when approved to accept SNAP benefits
and they sustained losses as a result
so, the retailers are now entitled to pursue legal recovery efforts against those it can PROVE knowingly purchased more than they had funds to pay for
jindal's actions indicate every SNAP beneficiary who exceeded their card limit did so knowingly, and he is now punishing them by rescinding their benefits. he is thereby punishing innocents with the guilty. what a surprise many of you agree with such unjust, and unjustifiable action by the government [/sarcasm indicator for those who needed it]
 
justabubba said:
you failed to answer the question
what did they steal from the government?
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Does the meaning of the word 'attempt allude you, and how is it in the tax payers interest not to punish such attempts?

as i see it, nothing
which then causes me to question why the government/jindal has intruded on this
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As I already made clear, your political interests do not trump the rational; perspective here, and i'm sure you would not continue providing charity to someone who continually tried to pick your wallet (even if those attempts bordered on the buffoonish)

but show us what the government lost such that the governor's participation should be found reasonable
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Again, if you want to ignore the clear *ATTEMPT* to exploit this error that is on you, and is solely your issue to deal with. All I need to do is point to the fact and ignore your ideological rigidness. That's the beauty of reason.
 
justabubba said:
except to show the teabaggers he is still relevant
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you keep saying that, but your problem is people like me, who support this, but hate the tea baggers.
 
intent.... :lamo I'd repost all the pictures of the empty store shelves and abandoned carts and text messages to show 'intent' but frankly, it's enough just to watch you do your normal dance defending the indefensible.
 

That's a fact of life - sometimes you get to some place and find it's not open. *shrug* Oh well. "Sorry for the inconvenience."

Still - not going to die.
 
Does anyone know if the store managers were fired for not implementing the correct protocol?
 
Chiefgator said:
Does anyone know if the store managers were fired for not implementing the correct protocol?
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It would be kinda hard to do that when they actually called corporate and got okayed by corporate to allow the people to continue to make the purchases. I believe most of the managers must have simply followed protocol without bothering to call. Either that or they got hold of different people. It is kind of strange that only 2 stores would call and get told to ignore protocol when dealing with such issues, and then the stores simply say "well we felt that was best", eventhough most other stores had to have operated with a limit or something.
 
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