London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chngd]

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
of course it is all americas fault

Where did I say this?

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
the islamo-fascists have every justification for hating adn attacking america and the west because we are such scum

If you desire to make statements like this, don't consider yourself a rational adult.

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
you're reasoning is a joke
your excuses for terrorists are ajoke

How can you possibly draw this conclusion when you don't even know what my reasoning is?

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
we are far from perfect, which any resonable person will admit

Well, shizzle-me-fizzle, maybe I spoke too soon!

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
but we have hardly instigated the current situation, no matter what Kool-aid you may be drinking

Who said we did? And the last time I drank Kool-aid, I was 12.

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
The islamo-fascists hate us

No s.hit!

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
and regardles of the excuses you may make for them,

And just where have I done this?

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
...they will hate us because it distracts them from the diseased failed civilization they live in

Only bigots and racists cast judgements on entire civilizations. And possibly, stupid arrogant narcissistic asshole Americans.

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
All those people, all that wealth from Oil, yet they are one of the poorest, most oppresed, most bitter bunch of SOBs

You sound a little bitter yourself, Buckwheat! Are you an SOB? A POS? Or just a dick?

Originally posted by DeeJayH:
wow, now that i think about it, they dont sound much different than Bitter Billlo

Psychologist's call this 'projection'.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by TOT:
Perhaps in that we helped to establish the house of Saud bringing the Wahhabist cult into prominence which has since spread through out the Islamic world, however, all people are responsible for their own actions we didn't create Pan-Islamic fascism and a hateful ideology intent on killing or converting anyone who doesn't prescribe to that ideology, that is their doing and their doing alone.

Try putting the shoe on the other foot.
Until then, your analogy is total horseshit!

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

For what it's worth, I don't like AT&T having that information either.

If you have the technology, you're going to have the information. How 'bout all the paper info on you? How 'bout how people can steal your identity, and ruin your credit, and your life? This is the real world. It's pretty easy for people to get your Social Security number, and then you are screwed.Computers have records of all the calls you make. If you are making too many calls to say Pakistan, and it seems fishy, I for one am glad that can be recognized, and looked into. My personal info? Don't care. It's been out there a long time, and it is what it is.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

Try putting the shoe on the other foot.
Until then, your analogy is total horseshit!

I'm not getting this other shoe stuff.

We don't want to kill them, they want to kill us, and for what reason? Because we aren't Islamic. They are crazy.

I think 9/11 caused all this. There is your motivator. They realized they could do a lot of damage by killing themselves.

It's not the Iraq War. That's where the left wants to go with it, but this started way before Iraq. It was happening in the 70's. Even before the 70's. Hundreds of years ago. The Muslim world is a time bomb. It always has been. They don't need a reason to kill. They have really lame reasons, and add on reasons, but in reality they have no reason. It just makes no sense. They don't make sense.

So what's your answer? What should the world do? How can we make amends?

 

[Gill]

Oh come on Gill, you can't be that simple minded, are you?

I guess that means you can't provide the proof I requested...

Care to retract your original statement now??

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Gill:
I guess that means you can't provide the proof I requested...

Care to retract your original statement now??

I guess you are!

 

[Gill]

How can you possibly draw this conclusion when you don't even know what my reasoning is?

He can't draw this conclusion since you haven't demonstrated any reasoning in this thread.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Marilyn Monroe:
If you have the technology, you're going to have the information. How 'bout all the paper info on you? How 'bout how people can steal your identity, and ruin your credit, and your life? This is the real world. It's pretty easy for people to get your Social Security number, and then you are screwed.Computers have records of all the calls you make. If you are making too many calls to say Pakistan, and it seems fishy, I for one am glad that can be recognized, and looked into. My personal info? Don't care. It's been out there a long time, and it is what it is.

What if it is someone just calling family back in Pakistan because they are homesick? By boss is named Hussein and he just got back from Lebanon while vacationing there with his wifes family. The road he was going to take to get to the airport was bombed by the Israelis 3 hours before he was going to be on it. He had to go to Syria, just to catch a flight home. He has dual-citizenship. Does that make him a terrorist? Should he be investigated in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty? Get real!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Marilyn Monroe:
I'm not getting this other shoe stuff.

We don't want to kill them, they want to kill us, and for what reason? Because we aren't Islamic. They are crazy.

I think 9/11 caused all this. There is your motivator. They realized they could do a lot of damage by killing themselves.

It's not the Iraq War. That's where the left wants to go with it, but this started way before Iraq. It was happening in the 70's. Even before the 70's. Hundreds of years ago. The Muslim world is a time bomb. It always has been. They don't need a reason to kill. They have really lame reasons, and add on reasons, but in reality they have no reason. It just makes no sense. They don't make sense.

So what's your answer? What should the world do? How can we make amends?

The only thing that is "lame", are the reasons cowards give not to find the truth!

It's so convenient to put it all on "them". Whomever "they" are? Frankly, when you broad stroke like that, I don't have a clue as to who you are talking about.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Gill:
He can't draw this conclusion since you haven't demonstrated any reasoning in this thread.

I have. You just refuse to see it, or discuss it,
without getting all emotional about it.

 

[cherokee]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

The terror alert has been raised to its maximum for all U.S. flights after the British broke up a huge plot to fly about ten planes from Britain into the U.S. to be used as missiles.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207682,00.html

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After these people face trail and if they are convicted of terror charges they should be shot, as in Executed asap.

Anyone willing to commit these acts should be killed.

 

[Symmetrical_Argument]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

If these creatures were so set on a suicidal blowing up in mid air then as punishment why not drop them from 30,000 feet without a parachute.
Let them cry 'praise be to Allah' as they fall to hell.

 

[Voidwar]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

It takes quite a mind to condemn 1 billion human beings! Your statements disgust me and clarify for me what I already suspected about you and your place in society.

What does it take to completely avoid these two simple questions ? ?

Are you a supporter of the Azteca religious practice of Human Sacrifice, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

Are you a proponent of allowing druids to burn men in wicker cages, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

wow, now that i think about it, they dont sound much different than Bitter Billlo

So this post is about attacking Billo now? Bad hair day Deejay or are you unable to debate without calling anyone who disagrees with Bushofascism bitter?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

What does it take to completely avoid these two simple questions ? ?

Are you a supporter of the Azteca religious practice of Human Sacrifice, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

Are you a proponent of allowing druids to burn men in wicker cages, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

:rofl

Dude I'm glad that you called yourself a bigot because it only confirms what I already believed! Azteca? Druids? How about Cavemen? Quite a stretch to compare 1 billion Muslims living in 2006 to Aztecs who lived thousands of years ago...I've never read anything funnier in this forum that your last post! Keep it up it's quite entertaining and the best argument for my point of view. Who knew you could write posts that admit you're a bigot and make them so clear and indisputable?

Write some more stuff about how you hate 1 billion Muslims so there's no doubt in anyone's mind who you are, OK?

 

[Deegan]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

:rofl

Dude I'm glad that you called yourself a bigot because it only confirms what I already believed! Azteca? Druids? How about Cavemen? Quite a stretch to compare 1 billion Muslims living in 2006 to Aztecs who lived thousands of years ago...I've never read anything funnier in this forum that your last post! Keep it up it's quite entertaining and the best argument for my point of view. Who knew you could write posts that admit you're a bigot and make them so clear and indisputable?

Write some more stuff about how you hate 1 billion Muslims so there's no doubt in anyone's mind who you are, OK?

Point taken, and he does have a point Champs, religious tolerance has it's limits, and we are still battling old beliefs.

 

[Voidwar]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

Quite a stretch to compare 1 billion Muslims living in 2006 to Aztecs

I'm not discussing or comparing the populations, but the religions themselves.

And you have attempted to avoid answering the questions again.

Do you not understand the questions ?

Are you a supporter of the Azteca religious practice of Human Sacrifice, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

Are you a proponent of allowing druids to burn men in wicker cages, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

Point taken, and he does have a point Champs, religious tolerance has it's limits, and we are still battling old beliefs.

I agree Deegan! My problem is that when someone condemns 1 billion people and wants them dead and is so bigoted that really sucks. I don't know about you but in the America I was raised in I was taught that any type of bigotry is evil and destructive and that people who promote it are as dangerous to American society as almost any perceived threat.

There are limits to how much slack you give anyone...but to just write 1 billion anything are all the same and are all evil is completely Un-American and completely wrong...

 

[Deegan]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

I agree Deegan! My problem is that when someone condemns 1 billion people and wants them dead and is so bigoted that really sucks. I don't know about you but in the America I was raised in I was taught that any type of bigotry is evil and destructive and that people who promote it are as dangerous to American society as almost any perceived threat.

There are limits to how much slack you give anyone...but to just write 1 billion anything are all the same and are all evil is completely Un-American and completely wrong...

I just think that you are narrowly missing each other here, just be more open to each others points, and not the man you each wish to belittle.

Sorry, I know it's fun, but I'm feeling a little Dr. Phil today.:3oops:

 

[Voidwar]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

but to just write 1 billion anything are all the same and are all evil is completely Un-American and completely wrong...

You keep doing it though, don't you.

Why don't you try to quote me saying that, or retract your fallacious strawman. If you want to refer to my remarks, use the quotation function on the forum, because your "paraphrasing" is deliberately inaccurate.

Either way, you have again tried to avoid answering the questions . . .

Are you a supporter of the Azteca religious practice of Human Sacrifice, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

Are you a proponent of allowing druids to burn men in wicker cages, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

I just think that you are narrowly missing each other here, just be more open to each others points, and not the man you each wish to belittle.

Sorry, I know it's fun, but I'm feeling a little Dr. Phil today.:3oops:

This has nothing to do with specific individuals because there's a whole group of forum members who are majorly bigoted against Muslims in the same way that Voidwar is. He's typical of what a bigot does and thinks because he lumps 1 billion people into one neat little silo and refuses to consider individuality.

You know I'm willing to bet that for the vast, vast majority of Muslims in the world that they share the same "family values" that we Americans share. We love our families, want to protect our families, want what's best and safest for our families. We want to be happy in life and live without war and conflict. It is the slim minority who want to kill us or us who want to kill them.

Don't get me wrong I want every enemy of the USA caught, stopped and removed from ever threatening us. I, however, do not want to kill or condemn someone simply because they're Muslims!

Do you think when our Constitution was written and we included "All Men Are Created Equal" they meant to put an asterisk to designate "except Muslims"?

 

[Voidwar]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

What does it take to completely avoid these two simple questions ? ?

Are you a supporter of the Azteca religious practice of Human Sacrifice, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

Are you a proponent of allowing druids to burn men in wicker cages, , ,
or are you, like me, a religious bigot ?

Can you tell me 26X ?

 

[Deegan]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

This has nothing to do with specific individuals because there's a whole group of forum members who are majorly bigoted against Muslims in the same way that Voidwar is. He's typical of what a bigot does and thinks because he lumps 1 billion people into one neat little silo and refuses to consider individuality.

You know I'm willing to bet that for the vast, vast majority of Muslims in the world that they share the same "family values" that we Americans share. We love our families, want to protect our families, want what's best and safest for our families. We want to be happy in life and live without war and conflict. It is the slim minority who want to kill us or us who want to kill them.

Don't get me wrong I want every enemy of the USA caught, stopped and removed from ever threatening us. I, however, do not want to kill or condemn someone simply because they're Muslims!

Do you think when our Constitution was written and we included "All Men Are Created Equal" they meant to put an asterisk to designate "except Muslims"?

Muslims here are respected, and they would not want to be anywhere but here, if you asked them. In fact, after this terrorist plot, Muslims here expressed much outrage, and condemned this act as any would. That said, many Muslims in the M.E, and elsewhere don't have that luxury, I don't think he was referring to those who live under our flag, but I'll let him answer that.

Many in the M.E don't share the Rosy picture you paint here, they actually strap the bombs on their children, and do so with much glee, so no, I don't agree with that mindset.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

Muslims here are respected, and they would not want to be anywhere but here, if you asked them. In fact, after this terrorist plot, Muslims here expressed much outrage, and condemned this act as any would. That said, many Muslims in the M.E, and elsewhere don't have that luxury, I don't think he was referring to those who live under our flag, but I'll let him answer that.

I agree with you re American Muslims but let's consider that in the 21st century the world extends beyond our borders and if we truly want to find peaceful solutions with our enemies it does mean granting them some respect for their differences.

I've spent most of my adult life traveling all over the world for my job averaging more than 100 days outside the USA for almost 20 years and one thing I discovered a long time ago is that the USA is where I want to live but it is not the center of the universe and that grasping and understanding the great diversity in the world makes one smarter and more tolerant and actually makes one a more complete person.

During my travels I've always marveled at the different places I went to and worked in. The mores are so different yet almost without exception my international work colleagues were all good people who did share the most common "family values" that we cherish here.

When someone broadstrokes hatred against an entire group of people they are always wrong, no exceptions.

Many in the M.E don't share the Rosy picture you paint here, they actually strap the bombs on their children, and do so with much glee, so no, I don't agree with that mindset.

Those of whom you speak are a small minority of ME Muslims and are not anywhere close to a majority nor do they represent the ideals that you're espousing.

Let's also realize that educational differences in different parts of the world contribute to misunderstandings on both sides of what the other side is really like but at the end of the day a Muslim family in the Middle East love each other, their children and their friends and want to live in peace, that is, at least to me indisputable and that is the common denominator that Bush never preaches or tries to reach out and grasp.

 

[Deegan]

Re: London Police Disrupt Terrorist Plot to Blow Up Aircraft in Mid-Flight [title chn

I agree with you re American Muslims but let's consider that in the 21st century the world extends beyond our borders and if we truly want to find peaceful solutions with our enemies it does mean granting them some respect for their differences.

I've spent most of my adult life traveling all over the world for my job averaging more than 100 days outside the USA for almost 20 years and one thing I discovered a long time ago is that the USA is where I want to live but it is not the center of the universe and that grasping and understanding the great diversity in the world makes one smarter and more tolerant and actually makes one a more complete person.

During my travels I've always marveled at the different places I went to and worked in. The mores are so different yet almost without exception my international work colleagues were all good people who did share the most common "family values" that we cherish here.

When someone broadstrokes hatred against an entire group of people they are always wrong, no exceptions.

Those of whom you speak are a small minority of ME Muslims and are not anywhere close to a majority nor do they represent the ideals that you're espousing.

Let's also realize that educational differences in different parts of the world contribute to misunderstandings on both sides of what the other side is really like but at the end of the day a Muslim family in the Middle East love each other, their children and their friends and want to live in peace, that is, at least to me indisputable and that is the common denominator that Bush never preaches or tries to reach out and grasp.

I share you hope, just not your opinion of the reality on the ground. I don't think most Muslims are for peace, I see too many obstacles for that peace to thrive. That said, the news from these places are controlled, as with the news going in, this is the disconnect, what can we do but intercede?