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Live Sex Shows Legal in Oregon

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I watched The O'Reilly Factor tonight (for 10-10-2005) and he mentioned that live sex shows are legal in Oregon. It's the only state in the union where they are legal.

What do you guys think about this?

I think we should pass a national law banning live sex shows as to safeguard the moral foundation of this country.
 

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I think it should be legal. It is a victimless crime, and all those involved are there willingly. We should look to change the personal decisions of the American people to safeguard our moral foundation.

Think about this:
Suppose I don't go to live sex shows because I think it is immoral (which I do). Now suppose I don't go to it only because its illegal and I don't want to get in trouble. In which instance am I showing virtue?

If you don't see the argument here - I'll give you some more examples:
Suppose person A gives money to charity because its the right thing to do. Now suppose that person A pays taxes to the government which go to charity. In which instance is person A demonstrating a moral quality?

Should a woman living under an Islamic Theocracy be praised for modesty if she wears a covering - even if the penalty for not doing it is - well - unpleasant?
What about a muslim woman doing the same by choice in the US?
 

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Connecticutter said:
I think it should be legal. It is a victimless crime, and all those involved are there willingly. We should look to change the personal decisions of the American people to safeguard our moral foundation.

Think about this:
Suppose I don't go to live sex shows because I think it is immoral (which I do). Now suppose I don't go to it only because its illegal and I don't want to get in trouble. In which instance am I showing virtue?

If you don't see the argument here - I'll give you some more examples:
Suppose person A gives money to charity because its the right thing to do. Now suppose that person A pays taxes to the government which go to charity. In which instance is person A demonstrating a moral quality?

Should a woman living under an Islamic Theocracy be praised for modesty if she wears a covering - even if the penalty for not doing it is - well - unpleasant?
What about a muslim woman doing the same by choice in the US?
I feel that legalizing it will lead to crime and possibly a higher rate of divorce.
 

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George_Washington said:
I feel that legalizing it will lead to crime and possibly a higher rate of divorce.
How so? Making things illegal usually leads to more crime.
Why a higher rate of divorce?
 

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Connecticutter said:
How so? Making things illegal usually leads to more crime.
Why a higher rate of divorce?
I think that just the nature of the business would lead to more crime and I think that divorce would go up because it would give people more of an incentive to want to cheat.
 

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George_Washington said:
I think that just the nature of the business would lead to more crime and I think that divorce would go up because it would give people more of an incentive to want to cheat.
If a person is going to cheat, I highly doubt it would be because of a live sex show. Broken marriages can only be blamed on the individuals involved, not a performance industry.
 

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I think it's kick ass! Although I wouldn't go to see it. Kinda like watching sports on TV. Much more healthy for you if you stop watching and start playing. :cool:
 
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Its just sex.

If people want to pay to watch other people going at it, so be it. Although I much prefer having sex with someone else, rather than watching it live or cable for the matter! Ha ha!. But hay, if that is how you get your kicks then so be it.

And if you don't like the idea of going to live sex shows, then you don't have to go and watch it.

In terms of consensual sexual acts between adults, what is moral is relative to the individual. Imagine I said this, I think that conservative Christians should be forced to see live sex acts, because America and the U.S is at threat of becoming prudish!


Anyway all very interesting!:wink:
 
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I don't know about you guys, but I prefer my sex shows to have at least five minute delay. That way, there's plenty of time to cut to commercial if anything inappropriate should occur.:lol:

Seriously though, how in the world does waiting for the exact same footage to cycle through editors, manufacturers, video stores and whoever else minimize the 'harm' these shows cause to society? Seems to me that the only additional footage you'd see from live footage would be the bloopers that end up on the cutting room floor. Sounds like people queasy over pornography in general want to cut back on the variety in vain efforts to reduce quantity.:roll:

I'd be very interested in reading rationalizations about how live sex shows (more so than on demand pay-per-view movies, store bought pornos, or 24 hour sex channels) damage society in ways that justify violating the first amendment rights of mutually consenting adults.
 

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Of course it should be legal. For one thing, it's no one else's business as long as everyone there is consenting. For another thing, it's DEFINITELY not the federal government's business whether or not individual states allow things like this. We don't need laws to "safeguard the moral foundation of our country," because what you REALLY mean is we need laws to "impose my personal moral foundation on the country." If you consider live sex shows immoral, don't go to them.

If this is a real political issue, then the United States badly needs to get laid.
 
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If it really should be legal as much as you guys claim it should, then why has Oregon been the only state to legalize it? You'd think if it was really such a great thing, we would have legalized it already.
 

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George_Washington said:
If it really should be legal as much as you guys claim it should, then why has Oregon been the only state to legalize it? You'd think if it was really such a great thing, we would have legalized it already.
Maybe cause it's not that big a deal? It's just live porn.
 

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Kelzie said:
Maybe cause it's not that big a deal? It's just live porn.

If it's not that big of a deal, then why not just legalize it?

The thing is, the Supreme Court of Oregon has said that it's covered under the first amendment. But I don't think a lot of other states want it to be. I think they would rather leave it up to individual communities to say whether or not they want to allow that kind of business into their neighborhoods. That's just a guess though.
 

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George_Washington said:
If it's not that big of a deal, then why not just legalize it?

The thing is, the Supreme Court of Oregon has said that it's covered under the first amendment. But I don't think a lot of other states want it to be. I think they would rather leave it up to individual communities to say whether or not they want to allow that kind of business into their neighborhoods. That's just a guess though.
Why would the government take the effort to legalize something that people don't care about? That makes no sense.
 

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George_Washington said:
So you're saying that most people don't care if it's illegal and if people get prosecuted over it, most people just don't care?
Nooo...people don't care if it's legal. I know in my day to day life, I think very little about live sex shows. In fact, I had forgotten all about it until this thread reminded me. Have you seen many rallies for the legalization of live sex shows? Marches? Petitions? No? People don't care! It's really not that big of a deal. Why would the government waste man power and resources legalizing something that there is no public outcry over?

And honestly, when was the last time someone was prosecuted for trying to have a live sex show? I've never even heard of it happening.
 

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Kelzie said:
Nooo...people don't care if it's legal. I know in my day to day life, I think very little about live sex shows. In fact, I had forgotten all about it until this thread reminded me. Have you seen many rallies for the legalization of live sex shows? Marches? Petitions? No? People don't care! It's really not that big of a deal. Why would the government waste man power and resources legalizing something that there is no public outcry over?

And honestly, when was the last time someone was prosecuted for trying to have a live sex show? I've never even heard of it happening.
Hmm, neither have I to be honest. I suspect some probably have.

But anyway, I might reconsider my stance on this issue. Instead of a national ban, I might be willing to just leave it up to the states or local communities to allow it.

Are live sex shows a very common practice in Holland? Does anyone know?
 

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George_Washington said:
If it really should be legal as much as you guys claim it should, then why has Oregon been the only state to legalize it?
Isn't the entire idea of states' rights to allow different communities to set their OWN standards of what should and should not be legal? If you're saying that anything that is illegal in the majority of the states should be illegal in ALL of the states, then what's the point of having states at all?

George_Washington said:
You'd think if it was really such a great thing, we would have legalized it already.
In a free society, it shouldn't matter if it's not such a great thing. That's not enough reason to make it illegal.
 

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Isn't the entire idea of states' rights to allow different communities to set their OWN standards of what should and should not be legal? If you're saying that anything that is illegal in the majority of the states should be illegal in ALL of the states, then what's the point of having states at all?
Yeah, like I said, I might reconsider my original stance.
 

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I read a transcript of a story “Sex in the Northwest”, The O‘Reilly Factor.
Ann Bremner:
“a liberal is someone that knows what's good for you better than you know yourself.”​
Bill O’Reilly:
“I mean, Oregon is now outflanking California as the most left wing state in the union.”​
Dave Reinhard:
“I like to call it ground zero in the culture of death.”​
The broadcast wasn’t about sex, it was about “liberals”.
 

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marchare said:
I read a transcript of a story “Sex in the Northwest”, The O‘Reilly Factor.
Ann Bremner:
“a liberal is someone that knows what's good for you better than you know yourself.”​
Bill O’Reilly:
“I mean, Oregon is now outflanking California as the most left wing state in the union.”​
Dave Reinhard:
“I like to call it ground zero in the culture of death.”​
The broadcast wasn’t about sex, it was about “liberals”.
And...what? I don't get it?
 

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George_Washington said:
I watched The O'Reilly Factor tonight (for 10-10-2005) and he mentioned that live sex shows are legal in Oregon. It's the only state in the union where they are legal.

What do you guys think about this?

I think we should pass a national law banning live sex shows as to safeguard the moral foundation of this country.
"The moral foundation of this country"?

Sounds like you want to impose what you believe to be "the moral foundation of this counntry" on everyone else.

If you have no interest in live-sex shows, then do not go to see one. I am not so sure that this is the only State that allows them. There is a theater in Chicago that has them also.
 

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George_Washington said:
I feel that legalizing it will lead to crime and possibly a higher rate of divorce.
Separate issues. All people cannot be denied things because of some people's mistakes.
 

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I finally found a job I would like...
 

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George_Washington said:
I think we should pass a national law banning live sex shows as to safeguard the moral foundation of this country.

O man, the religious right, once again is trying to hold humanity back, and turn back all progress!
 
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