Live coverage of Kavanaugh Hearing with new witnesses

[Geoist]

I can't believe Leahy let Kavanaugh determine the narrative. He's here to answer questions.

Yeah, I was disappointed in that, as well. May be time for retirement for Leahy.

 

[joko104]

I was talking to another poster who said Ford is an embarrassment to actual rape victims. I said she did not claim to be rape. Then you respond with "oh she mentioned sexual assault." Sexual assault and rape are not one-in-the-same. Rape is always assault, but assault is not always rape.

It has to do with her lifelong pity party acts. RAPE is an extremely violent act that could lead to lifelong psychological issues. She was not raped. She was not sexual assaulted by HER definition of what she claimed happened. A drunk teen tried to get her clothes off for a bit, failed, she left. There was NO rape and NO sexual assault. From this, she has used this as pity party excuse in marriage counseling, pity party demand why she gets to pick which of 2 seats on airplane she gets, and to now make herself a Democrat hero (her a lifelong Democrat activist in look-at-me-fighting Republicans and Trump ways) - and to get Democrat US Senators claiming she is greater than Jesus Christ.

 

[Parrish]

Durbin made an excellent point. Grassley is dottering. Keep it going, Durbin.

 

[Threegoofs]

Man. Durbin is good.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Listening to Brett Hume who is convinced that this is a disaster for the Republicans, I am not certain of that. I do know that the Democrats grandstanding in every one of their five minutes is infuriating and I can't think that is helping them.

I don't know how this will go but I am thinking TurtleDude is right that the gentle but methodical establishment of facts into the testimony is more likely to expose any issues of credibility in it.

I don't disagree with anything there, except that the Democrats have nothing to lose. They were seen as self serving and useless at the last election, now the Republicans have demonstrated again they have no plan, no idea of governance and are merely hopping to Trump's constantly changing tune like a gang of marionettes.

Clearly neither side has the country's interests at heart and the right at least appears ready, willing and able to destroy the US as we know it over an ego.

Once again Trump shows he is unfit to govern, he's fired more people than many presidents had in their lifetime, makes stupidly irrational appointments and too much a ****ing amateur to get it right the first time.

And no one is looking at the future, when the Supreme court is seen to be bias against women and soft of rape, sexual assault, your country will be torn in half. The wise move here is meet with the dems and find an acceptable compromise candidate, the way America has always worked.

This is ****ed.

We really are laughing at you.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Why can’t Kav just say he wants an FBI investigation? Why is that so difficult?


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[noonereal]

Spoiled entitlement on display in a SCOTUS wannabe.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Praising a possible sexual assault victim for coming forward is what gets you Repubs angry? Holy holy, some of you need to get your priorities straight.

One thing I will say, that I do agree with, was what the democrats said did her no favours, I will not get drawn into any debate about the efficacy of these allegations, but what Democrats said and the way they said will do her no favours in the “she’s doing this for partisan reasons” optic.

I don’t think that’s her fault and there’s not a lot she can do about it, that’s on those democratic members.

 

[Geoist]

Why is it so hard to say I want an FBI investigation?

 

[Chomsky]

If I were a prosecutor I'd say since you keep calendars, could you please bring in all the other calendars you have saved up?? If he cant bring in more the calendar is ovbiously fake, and if he does bring in more calendars it will give a good peek into his teenage years and what he was up to

I think the calendar might be legit. But that doesn't mean it's inclusive, or that it exonerates him. However, it does show that Dr. ford's claim of Kavanaugh-Judge-PJ associating together, as they did on the alleged night.

Kavanaugh just claimed he documents all "get togethers", including "small ones". It seems to me one provable undocumented "get together" would impeach the calendar.

 

[Roadvirus]

That's what she said, then she said she couldn't remember when she took it. She's all over the map.

Kinda like her entire story about the incident.

 

[joko104]

One question:

Would you want this guy judging you?

SCOTUS does not judge people. They make constitutional issues rulings only.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Danica Roem ✔
Tip:
If you’re being nominated for a nonpartisan position as a neutral arbiter on the Supreme Court,
attacking “the left,” “Democrats,” “the Clintons” and “the media” in your opening statement while
noting there will be reprisal for years to come is, well, disqualifying.

2:24 PM - Sep 27, 2018

Indeed. Toss out any notions of a Justice Kavanaugh who only considers the law.

 

[Moot]

He sneers too much.

He keeps refusing to say he wants an FBI investigation. ruh-oh.

 

[Lutherf]

She did come off rather ditzy on some of the questions.

I wasn't able to watch this thing earlier but I've had the C-Span replay on at the office. I've just finished listening to Ford through the first break. Frankly, I've got some issues with her testimony thus far. Her recollection of seeing Judge at the place he worked seemed contrived. It was another of those things that's completely unverifiable yet damning if taken at face value. I was also unhappy with her testimony about the "conversation" as Judge and Kavanaugh went downstairs. She was specifically asked if she couldn't understand the conversation or couldn't hear it. That question was even clarified and repeated. Still she said she couldn't hear it. Maybe she was confused by the question but it would be hard to recognize a conversation without hearing it while you're locked in a bathroom away from the people you're talking about. She wouldn't have been in a position to see them talking and if she couldn't hear them then I have no idea how she knows there was a conversation.

She also briefly referenced hearing conversation as she ran out. It strikes me that if Kavanaugh and Judge were downstairs with the others when she "ran out" that would have prompted a question or two from the other attendees. There should have been something along the lines of "What was that all about?" Furthermore, such a rush out the door should have prompted some kind of memory by one or more of the other attendees. As all other known attendees have denied any such knowledge that aspect of Ford's story strikes me as suspect.

I'll keep listening to the rest of this but right now I'm kind of thinking that Ms. Ford's ability to recall details which can't be verified while having no memory of details which can be verified is extremely convenient.

 

[nota bene]

They don’t allow for a break long enough.............

That's unfair.

 

[Hatuey]

Just a message to all of the young men out there:

Stay away from skis,
choose trees,
if you're hanging with a squeeze,
make sure she has consented
please.


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[PoliSciXtina]

Why is it so hard to say I want an FBI investigation?

He can’t do it! Unreal!


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[Desert Storm]

… and in the same token that doesn't mean that he isn't/wasn't/didn't attempt some sort of sexual assault

For sure

 

[Exactice]

I believe Dr. Ford. I believe he is lying. But I respect your opinion.


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Fair enough. here are some things.

1) Dr. Ford has NOT provided any additional corroboration or additional Facts to validate her claim even within this hearing. She has poked more holes in it by still not remembering specified facts. Also the 4 corroborators have denied by statement under felony that they cannot prove it happened.

2) Just the opening Statement by Kavannagh indicates by time, place, journals that he was NOT in the state around the potential times that Dr. Ford "CANT" remember.


So while I believe that Dr. Ford MAY have been assaulted by someone. the FACTS in favor of Kavannagh are on display which seemingly have NOT been refuted.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I didn't specify whether one is a worse experience than the other. I am stating the definitions are not the same.

If you notice I deleted that post and offer my apologies. I read your original post the opposite of its intended.

Sorry, it is not about you

 

[noonereal]

Why can’t Kav just say he wants an FBI investigation? Why is that so difficult?


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because he knows it's the correct protocol but it's not the political direction he is tied to

plus
in 24 hours he figures he'll be a Supreme and he does not want to wait

 

[apdst]

Why can’t Kav just say he wants an FBI investigation? Why is that so difficult?


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Kavanaugh has been investigated by the FBI 6 times.

Calling for an investigation is just a stalling tactic.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Omg Graham ...


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[joko104]

Why is it so hard to say I want an FBI investigation?

Why is it so hard to file a police report?

But have another FBI background check. No reason to delay voting on his confirmation while that is done.

THE SCOTUS's next session begins ON MONDAY. They have been sitting on cases for a year. VOTE.

That would not prevent a pointless FBI investigation from being done, would it?