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Lithium-sulfur Gigafactory to be Built in Nevada

Do you know for certain the project received zero federal funding or loan guarantees?
I do not!
No, which is why I don't suspect it. I don't suspect things that aren't documented. Government financing is public record and routinely released. If this project is connected to the government, the info can be found.

The Redwood loan made headlines.


I don't suspect government financing because I haven't seen it reported.

Energy storage is the future, what those "batteries" look like is very much open.
What is for certain is that something better than the current lithium ion batteries is needed.
Will lithium-sulfur do the job, perhaps, but it is only a step forward if they can actually build the batteries claimed.
I saw while looking this up, they are also looking at building another Gigafactory in Spain.
I think the company is past the development stage, but whatever happens will be a learning experience.
 
No, which is why I don't suspect it. I don't suspect things that aren't documented. Government financing is public record and routinely released. If this project is connected to the government, the info can be found.

The Redwood loan made headlines.


I don't suspect government financing because I haven't seen it reported.


I think the company is past the development stage, but whatever happens will be a learning experience.
Massive funding is no guarantee of success.
As nearly as I can tell the project only received some grants from the federal government, but that is still some funding.
Better batteries will open up lots of possibilities, but the hill to overcome the energy storage density of hydrocarbon
fuels is massive. There is also the issue that all the advances in battery electric cars also apply to hybrid electric cars
that carry their energy as hydrocarbon fuel.
Think about it like this, A tesla model 3 gets about 5 miles per kWh, but the battery to push the car 363 miles weighs
over 1000 lbs, and the batteries weight does not decrease as the charge decreases.
A Toyota Camry hybrid has a 13.2 gallon tank that pushes the car 673 miles on 80 lbs of fuel,
and the weight of the fuel decreases as the fuel is used.
Assuming they both require the same energy to push down the road, the Camry is extracting 134 kWh
from 80 lbs of fuel.
This combined with the knowledge that we can make all the sustainable carbon neutral gasoline we want,
makes gasoline a much better "battery" for this application.
It is no small wonder that the big oil companies are buying up ownership in solar and wind farms.
 
The basic battery design has been around since the 60's, but they do not have the recharge cycles needed. There is a 2022 announcement where someone thinks that was solved. I wouldn't be to hopeful on this design. My odds is this is a government backed expenditure that will fail as spectacularly as Solyndra did, and people will get rich off of a failure at tax payer expense.

The loan program Solyndra was part of led to a lot innovation and overall made a profit.



That investments into green technologies have payed of and led to economies of scale and innovation.


 
That is because you misrepresented the facts, You did not heat the water with solar electricity but from propane.
And claimed the same for his neighbors.
 
The anti- battery technology attitude from the political far right is astounding. Lyten has developed a potentially groundbreaking technology, and the anti's scream, "Nope. Can't do that." Makes no sense.
I am not "anti-battery" by any means. I just understand the reality of electronics and electricity. I have been working with electricity since the 60's.

There are technologies that I like in some applications but not others. For home storage of electricity for the day/night cycle, I prefer the nickle-iron battery. Seasonal storage needs something that retains a charge longer like the newer battery technologies, but you cannot beat the durability and life of nickle-iron.

I do not like hydrogen powered cars, but I would embrace the concept for home power storage. Take your excess polar power and make hydrogen on demand and store it in a safe fixed container. Fuel cells generate power on demand when needed. have enough excess, charge your electric car also.

It is generally not the technology itself I disprove of, but how it is used. Except wind power. I see nothing good enough from wind power that counters all the negative things about it.
 
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My odds is this is a government backed expenditure that will fail as spectacularly as Solyndra did,

Clearly political.
My God man. That is anti subsidy. Not ant-battery.

Political does not mean against battery power.

Please learn to separate concepts in life.
This is well and good, but beyond the scope of my post. Before 2014, there was no lithium loop. Over the last ten years, beginning with Tesla/Panasonic, investment in battery technology has been in the tens of billions. Tens of thousands of jobs, a university minor, a new gigafactory being built - these are not signs of failure.

Through all the negative talk, the reality is something quite the opposite.
Reality check.....
 
My God man. That is anti subsidy. Not ant-battery.
If you think subsidized projects are destined to fail, that's politics. And there's nothing to indicate any public financing.

The reference to Solyndra is a dead giveaway.

Political does not mean against battery power.
The anti-EV rhetoric is entirely politically driven.

Please learn to separate concepts in life.
Those that politicize renewable energy should take this advice.

Reality check.....
Indeed. The reality is all around. It's called the lithium loop.

This isn't Solyndra.
 
And claimed the same for his neighbors.
Well the claim was that he provided hot showers for his neighbors because he had a photovoltaic system, but what took some coaxing was that the hot water was from his propane supply not the photovoltaic system.
 
The lithium mine is out in the middle of nowhere. Environmental damage will be minimal and effect no one.

I find it odd that so-called capitalists root for business failure based on their politics.

Myself, I'm a capitalist. Not so-called, such as you. I'm not in a cult. I'm into technological advancement. I'm into making a profit off of technological advancement. I'm pro-growth. I'm pro- job creation. This project accomplishes all these.

I'm betting with Lyten. You can put your money on failure. Being a so-called capitalist, I'd expect nothing less.
Out in the middle of nowhere? Youre lying again if you think this has no consequences.


Whole rivers have been polluted in other countries. A Nevada study has found that it can impact in places up to 150 miles away, and we're not even counting landfills that will be filled by this toxic trash you call "green."

Its clear you dont care about the environment after all. Thanks for showing us the real you.
 
Out in the middle of nowhere?
Yes. Thacker Pass is out in the middle of nowhere.

Youre lying again if you think this has no consequences.


Whole rivers have been polluted in other countries. A Nevada study has found that it can impact in places up to 150 miles away, and we're not even counting landfills that will be filled by this toxic trash you call "green."

Its clear you dont care about the environment after all. Thanks for showing us the real you.
This is soooooo cute.
 
That is because you misrepresented the facts, You did not heat the water with solar electricity but from propane.
Volunteer didn't misrepresent anything. It was Lord who assumed that his water heater was all electric and then based on that incorrect assumption dismissed his claims about supplying showers to his neighbors.
Well the claim was that he provided hot showers for his neighbors because he had a photovoltaic system, but what took some coaxing was that the hot water was from his propane supply not the photovoltaic system.
Electricity is needed to run both the well pump and the tankless water heater.
 
Volunteer didn't misrepresent anything. It was Lord who assumed that his water heater was all electric and then based on that incorrect assumption dismissed his claims about supplying showers to his neighbors.

Electricity is needed to run both the well pump and the tankless water heater.
Electricity is needed to light the flame on the propane tankless water heater, not provide the energy to heat the water.
 
Out in the middle of nowhere? Youre lying again if you think this has no consequences.


Whole rivers have been polluted in other countries. A Nevada study has found that it can impact in places up to 150 miles away, and we're not even counting landfills that will be filled by this toxic trash you call "green."

Its clear you dont care about the environment after all. Thanks for showing us the real you.

Fossil fuels is still a very dirty business after hundred years leading to trillions of dollars in environmental and social costs.


While it already a lot of progress in recycling batteries.


While it also progress in making more sustainable types of batteries.


While you can also have alternativ ways to balance the grid that can complement batteries.

 
Electricity is needed to light the flame on the propane tankless water heater,
It is a lot more complicated than that. Electricity is used by the control circuitry, sensors, variable gas valve, and combustion blower. You obviously know very little about tankless water heaters.
not provide the energy to heat the water.
Volunteer never said, or even suggested, that electricity was the only fuel used to heat the water. That was the assumption made by people who like to attack renewable energy.

Why can't you just admit you were wrong when it is obvious you were?
 
It is a lot more complicated than that. Electricity is used by the control circuitry, sensors, variable gas valve, and combustion blower. You obviously know very little about tankless water heaters.

Volunteer never said, or even suggested, that electricity was the only fuel used to heat the water. That was the assumption made by people who like to attack renewable energy.

Why can't you just admit you were wrong when it is obvious you were?
Well let's just see what was said.
Post #142
Here's how my battery works:
Sun shines on the silicon panels on our roof, creating a flow of electrons to our lithium ion battery for storage.
Hurricane Helene slams our area, blacking out Duke Energy in North Carolina.
Electricity from the battery provided us, without even blinking, all the creature comforts we needed for eleven days, including drinking water and hot showers for all our neighbors.

That's how our battery works.
It was a magical solution.
To me that sure sound like it was the electricity from the solar charged batteries that provided ALL the creature comforts!
He later admitted that the water heater ran on propane. post #153.
 
Well let's just see what was said.
Post #142

To me that sure sound like it was the electricity from the solar charged batteries that provided ALL the creature comforts!
He later admitted that the water heater ran on propane. post #153.
Ok... you are right. He did say all. But electricity was still required to heat and supply the water.
 
Ok... you are right. He did say all. But electricity was still required to heat and supply the water.
Not the heating only the control mechanism!
 
Not the heating only the control mechanism!
Without electricity for the controls, gas ignition, combustion air supply, and pumped water, there would not have been hot showers for anyone.
 
Without electricity for the controls, gas ignition, combustion air supply, and pumped water, there would not have been hot showers for anyone.
True, but without propane there would not have been any hot water!
Again the energy to heat the water cam from propane not Solar electricity!
 
Without electricity for the controls, gas ignition, combustion air supply, and pumped water, there would not have been hot showers for anyone.
Buzz...

"all the creature comforts we needed for eleven days, including drinking water and hot showers for all our neighbors."

This very solidly suggests a very huge need for electricity. Much more than someone would design for one home. This is why I questioned it.
 
True, but without propane there would not have been any hot water!
Again the energy to heat the water cam from propane not Solar electricity!
Hot water can be supplied by electricity from solar. The power demand is just so much higher than with using gas too. Then add the showers for neighbors...
 
Fossil fuels is still a very dirty business after hundred years leading to trillions of dollars in environmental and social costs.


While it already a lot of progress in recycling batteries.


While it also progress in making more sustainable types of batteries.


While you can also have alternativ ways to balance the grid that can complement batteries.

You want to destroy the environment. Thanks for telling us the truth about yourself. I knew you were going to confess sooner or later.
 
Aww, cant stand up to facts again, eh? Figures.
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Great for business. I'm a capitalist. You should consider capitalism.
 
When a battery technology is capable of that speed of charge, that doesn't mean we can realistically charge a car even close to that. As the charge time decreases, the amount of current increases. This means the conductors for the electricity become larger and larger, adding wight. This isn't as much of a problem for the car weight as it is for the weight of the charging cable that needs to be handled.

Think of it like this. You buy a plug in lamp and the cable you plug into the wall is relatively small. Your microwave oven that uses more power is a larger size wire. An electric stove or dryer uses a larger power cable yet.

The massive amount of power electric cars use, means a very large cable compared to any household appliance.

The size of the wire isn’t the issue, but the source of electricity is.
 
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