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Lindsey Graham to propose new national abortion restrictions bill

Lursa said:
The majority of people in the South believed that they should still be able to discriminate against blacks, wanted to keep Jim Crow and segregation, despite the equal rights that blacks have in the US.

Should we have let those people decide on equal rights for blacks in their states?
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Really? And I’m sure you can cite something that substantiates this claim?
 
Channe79 said:
It is up to States to decide on abortion, not the federal government. Lindsey is wrong on this and it will never pass.
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You are quite right. It will never pass, and it proves republicans lied through their teeth as usual.
 
jakiejakester said:
No offense, sincerely, but posting false equivalencies is pure bullshit. Does a man carry a child? Does his body go through potentially life threatening changes? Does a man possibly get all sorts of pregnancy side effects? Morning sickness? There are many body changes that many women go through during a pregnancy. A man? Nada. It's like saying to someone who has diabetes that it's nothing so don't eat sugary foods...if it were that simple would diabetes be such a nasty, incurable disease? You know, don't have sex - you want get pregnant, don't eat carbs, sweets etc. and your diabetes is nothing...that is pure fantasy land stuff. Sorry, but your post was so anti-women I found it revolting and created in mind, belief that you're not a nice person and totally out of touch with the world around you and how to be a good person because a good person would never try to equate what a woman goes through in determining to have an abortion to how it affects a man.
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Both men and women have very good reasons for not wanting to be parents but for some reason you only seem concerned with the woman's justifications.
 
trouble13 said:
Both men and women have very good reasons for not wanting to be parents but for some reason you only seem concerned with the woman's justifications.
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Not for "some reason"! The reason is that the woman has to carry the fetus inside HER body. I have no issue with any many who can carry a fetus in his body making the final decision. Once again, you're pushing a bullshit false equivalency. If you're incapable of understanding the biological difference between shooting sperm inside a woman's vagina and carrying a child in your uterus then I suggest you educate yourself because I read your posts as being incredibly misinformed and really, really nasty. Sorry if the truth hurts.
 
jakiejakester said:
Must you double down on writing asinine anti-women comments? Unless I'm mistaken if a man doesn't get an erection he can't be "raped" and what percentage of "rapes" are woman to man? Damn, it's sad you can't see how awful your posts read.

BTW - nice to know you were pro-Rush who, btw, could never have been "raped" by a women since he only could have sex with the help of a little blue pill...
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Men do in fact get raped by women. Nice to know you are unsympathetic. It's also a transparently insincere position by you unless you are advocating that women should only be allowed to abort under specific circumstances like incest.
 
Razoo said:
Women should not be having sex if they will not use the pill. UNLESS single parenting is among their hearts desire. Both parents should accept 50-50 on expenses across the board. Condoms are not reliable enough. Be real. And what a hassle ..............
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I'm guessing that you're an old man who hasn't had sex in decades and a man who has no scientific knowledge regarding birth control. There are literally millions of women who cannot take the pill because it would harm them. How do you not know this simple FACT?

It's incredible how naive, uninformed, unintelligent some people in this Forum are and they expose themselves for everyone to see and have absolutely no idea how dumb they make themselves appear. Amazing!
 
Lursa said:
What fact? Since you keep posting a falseshood, you're not working with fact
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Your above quote was challenging my statement that an unborn baby is a human being.

And of course you are going to deny that this is true as you have to. A baby is a person whether they are inside or outside the womb.

A 25-week premie is no more developed lying in the NICU as they would be in the womb. There is nothing magical that occurs that transforms them into a person when they move through the birth canal.

But of course you can not accept that as then you must recognize that perhaps, just perhaps the 60+% of us who believe that elective late-term abortions should not be legal argue this for reasons other than being semi-fascists, misogynists, or extremists.

Sticking to your denial of the humanity of these babies allows you to so cavalierly dismiss them as just tissue of human dna.

It is this same denial of personhood that has fueled racism, eugenics, and genocide.

Baby might have downs? Just kill it. Baby might have CP. Nothing that a pair of scissors into the brain stem can’t solve? Lost my job and a baby on the way? No problem. Kill it.

And some how we are the extremists?!?!? .
 
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jakiejakester said:
Not for "some reason"! The reason is that the woman has to carry the fetus inside HER body. I have no issue with any many who can carry a fetus in his body making the final decision. Once again, you're pushing a bullshit false equivalency. If you're incapable of understanding the biological difference between shooting sperm inside a woman's vagina and carrying a child in your uterus then I suggest you educate yourself because I read your posts as being incredibly misinformed and really, really nasty. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Truth does not hurt me one bit. I'm not the one crying about not being entitled to more rights than another gender. Women who do not want to be mothers should follow the same advice they give men who do not want to be fathers. Don't have sex.

The joke here is that you think it's misogynistic to suggest women practice abstinence but it's not misandristic to suggest Men who don't like the consequences of sex to practice abstinence. The joke your missing lies in your hypocrisy.
 
StillServing said:
But are the human beings? Are the people? Are they not to be extended human rights?

That’s not being unresponsive. It is properly identifying the problem of this issue. Abortion is an issue which is putting the rights of two people in conflict with each other.

My daughters were no more people with human rights at 25 weeks laying in the NICU than if they had remained inside my wife.

What is so hard about recognizing this fact? Once you do, you will realize that the reason why a majority of Americans believe that elective abortions after the 1st trimester should be illegal. https://apnews.com/article/only-on-...igion-health-2c569aa7934233af8e00bef4520a8fa8

We are not the extremists on this issue.
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Meh. Live your life the way you see fit and leave others alone to live theirs. You don't have to keep repeating yourself.
 
reflechissez said:
Meh. Live your life the way you see fit and leave others alone to live theirs. You don't have to keep repeating yourself.
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I would love to leave others live their lives. That IS the point.
 
JasperL said:
Who is "we." In my state of Tennessee and most of the South, abortion is banned, which is pretty extreme.
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And you know what the irony is? If the pro-choice movement would not have challenged Mississippi’s law that limited elective abortion to 15 weeks—consistent with standards of most of Europe’s laws and in keeping with the attitudes if 60+% of Americans, abortion would still be legal in Tennesse.
 
StillServing said:
That I challenge the assertion made that over 1/2 of all southerners are racist? Serious as a heart-attack.
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How old are you? Did you live under Jim Crow 1.0? OR are you 1) just so ignorant of history, or 2) that dishonest? I'll give you a minute to figure that out.
 
Time's up. Ta Ta.
 
StillServing said:
Just a corruption of the FBI, fabricating a bogus dossier, altering an official statement to be presented to a judge and a 3+ year millions-dollar investigation solely based upon these actions that was nothing more than an attempted coups d'etat.

I have stated on this board multiple times I am not an apologist for President Trump and I full-throated denounce what happened on 6 January.
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It's not a surprise you moved the goal posts (did you forget about 2000?) or that you limit your 'denouncement' to what happened on January 6th. January 6th was simply one day of many in the illegal scheme.
StillServing said:
And you know what the irony is? If the pro-choice movement would not have challenged Mississippi’s law that limited elective abortion to 15 weeks—consistent with standards of most of Europe’s laws and in keeping with the attitudes if 60+% of Americans, abortion would still be legal in Tennesse.
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So you moved the goal posts again. You way "we" are not the "extremists", then when it's pointed out the "extremists" across the red states, particularly in the south, you blame the extremism on the pro-choice movement, because of course.

FWIW, Mississippi was just one case. SCOTUS had their pick of a dozen or more laws and challenges to accept and then do what they wanted which was in fact ignore Mississippi's law and tear out Roe v. Wade by the roots. In that sense, the Mississippi law was just a pretense, the vehicle. You cannot really believe that if Mississippi's law wasn't challenged SCOTUS would be, "Well, guess we can't do anything on abortion! Roe is safe!!" Even if that, the question is for how long? Another month? Six months?
 
JasperL said:
It's not a surprise you moved the goal posts (did you forget about 2000?) or that you limit your 'denouncement' to what happened on January 6th. January 6th was simply one day of many in the illegal scheme.

So you moved the goal posts again. You way "we" are not the "extremists", then when it's pointed out the "extremists" across the red states, particularly in the south, you blame the extremism on the pro-choice movement, because of course.

FWIW, Mississippi was just one case. SCOTUS had their pick of a dozen or more laws and challenges to accept and then do what they wanted which was in fact ignore Mississippi's law and tear out Roe v. Wade by the roots. In that sense, the Mississippi law was just a pretense, the vehicle. You cannot really believe that if Mississippi's law wasn't challenged SCOTUS would be, "Well, guess we can't do anything on abortion! Roe is safe!!" Even if that, the question is for how long? Another month? Six months?
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2000?
Really? I was also to point out that many within the Democratic Party continue to protest the legitimacy of the 2000 election?

Far from moving the goal posts. Nearly 10 pages of posts ago I pointed out that the position of pro-life advocates who put forward gestational limits is an exercise in moderation which is not shared by many in the pro-choice side.

SCOTUS could only make the decision to (correctly) invalidate Roe if there were challenges to any of the state laws that put gestational limits. Those who believe that abortion should have no limits gave them the opportunity to do so.
 
Plasmaball said:
Define most people please? We talking normal Americans or the people on here?


It's not your body, but there should be other protections if she decides to keep it and the father doesn't. Like a contract staying he doesn't have to pay for it


Eh.
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There is a very easy way for men to not have to financially support or love their own flesh and blood.

They can go to court and surrender all parental rights and responsibilities.

It is easy to do and doesn't take very long.

Men walk away from their own flesh and blood everyday. Without even looking back to see what they have caused. When told about their own child, they run as fast as they can to get out of any responsibilities for that child but won't do it legally.

No one is preventing any man from legally surrendering all legal parental rights and responsibilities. Yet they don't do it.

Why?
 
NWRatCon said:
How old are you? Did you live under Jim Crow 1.0? OR are you 1) just so ignorant of history, or 2) that dishonest? I'll give you a minute to figure that out.
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Today people live under Jim Crow and/or 50% support it in the south?

What does my age have to do with this?
 
StillServing said:
So let me see if I got this right, a poster states that 50% of Southerns today support racism and I have the burden of proof? 😂
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That wasn't the claim you responded to. Looks like you need to start by rereading the thread.
 
StillServing said:
Your above quote was challenging my statement that an unborn baby is a human being.

And of course you are going to deny that this is true as you have to. A baby is a person whether they are inside or outside the womb.

A 25-week premie is no more developed lying in the NICU as they would be in the womb. There is nothing magical that occurs that transforms them into a person when they move through the birth canal.

But of course you can not accept that as then you must recognize that perhaps, just perhaps the 60+% of us who believe that elective late-term abortions should not be legal argue this for reasons other than being semi-fascists, misogynists, or extremists.

Sticking to your denial of the humanity of these babies allows you to so cavalierly dismiss them as just tissue of human dna.

It is this same denial of personhood that has fueled racism, eugenics, and genocide.

Baby might have downs? Just kill it. Baby might have CP. Nothing that a pair of scissors into the brain stem can’t solve? Lost my job and a baby on the way? No problem. Kill it.

And some how we are the extremists?!?!? .
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Well yes.
Who are you to decide what is best for my child in my wifes womb????
Especially complicated by the fact that child influences my wife;s health and could cause her paralysis, or even death.

Frankly.. I get tired of the anti abortionists "its a child..its a human".... schtick because once its born... its seems that the anti abortionists couldn;t give a gosh darn about it. They scream bloody murder about welfare payments, healthcare, etc.. all designed to help the child. Cripes..I've seen then complain about a hungry 6 year old getting a free lunch in school because "it teaches them to be dependent on government".

the minute I start seeing anti abortionists "en masse".. start supporting subsidized daycare, and TANF, and medicaid for mothers and children, and public preschool.. and free public college... etc..

Well then, I will respect their 'its a child a human schtick"... otherwise.. I will continue to see the anti abortionists in their true light. they want to control womens bodies.
 
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