Lindsey Graham isn't happy with the Horowitz report

[TheDoctorWasIn]

You haven't read the report have you?. I'm not through the entire thing yet but Horowitz does list 17 counts of abuse by the FBI in regard to the FISC.

No, he didn't. He listed 17 minor errors that had essentially no impact on the investigation.

Also there's some tidbits in the report that Fusion Co-Founders Glenn Simpson, Jonathon Winer refused to talk to the IG.

So?

James Comey and Former FBI Attorney James Baker and others refused to fully testify to the IG. They were asked to recertify their classification clearance in order to testify and they refused. A person willing to co-operate would have recertified so Horowitz would have the authority to proceed to refresh their memories with newly discovered documents. But lets be honest here the reason they refused is they know they are guilty.

Comey provided countless hours of testimony to Horowitz, and is directly cited 150 times in the report.

What Horowitz could not accomplish John Durham can. Not Comey, Baker, Simpson, McCabe, Strzok, Page, and all the other characters involved will be able to avoid a subpoena from John Durham.

Keep that faith alive. It'll happen any day now.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

And?

Errors, omissions, and failures that "prevented OI from fully performing its gatekeeper function and deprived the decision makers the opportunity to make fully informed decisions."

Read the errors.

All minor clerical errors.

 

[RAMOSS]

Who found that the FISA court wasn't lied to? Horowitz? I haven't read all nearly 500 pages of the report yet but the findings seem to be that the investigation was very much flawed. Horowitz seems to blame the failings on policy and infrastructure failings. Graham seems to believe that an outright lie was involved. Barr and Durham also disagree with the Horowitz findings though they don't specify exactly what that disagreement is.

Gosh, a bunch of partisan hacks disagree with an independent investigation because they didn't like a conclusion. Where have I seen that before?

 

[Lutherf]

Yep.

Maybe you should at least read the executive summary at the beginning, and save us all some time.



Lindsey Graham is welcome to feel however he wants. But I'm going to take the word of a veteran investigator who has actually been investigating it for 2 years over a politician who has nothing to support his claim but feelings.

We should probably remember this for when Durham, another veteran investigator, gives his opinion.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Agreed
Graham constintantly talks out of both sides of his mouth and tries to straddle the fence. He needs to put his money where his mouth is or STFU.

Like they say, "Talk is cheap. Look at what someone does instead of what they say."

Politicians are always willing to blow out some hot air to keep the credulous riled.

All this talk about wrongdoing etc., but if they really believed it, they'd already be on it.
The fact that it's all talk and no walk tells us all we need to know about what they actually believe.

That's why it's so very hard to believe that there's a there there with a number of these things like the Biden business.
If there were a there there, the Senate et al would've already been all over it years ago.
The fact that they're only making noises instead of taking action, let's us know that they don't think there's anything there — it's just to rile the credulous.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

We should probably remember this for when Durham, another veteran investigator, gives his opinion.

And what will you say when it all comes up as yet another nothingberder?

Hopefully they'll be a new fake investigation for you to get your hopes up about.

 

[Lutherf]

And what will you say when it all comes up as yet another nothingberder?

Hopefully they'll be a new fake investigation for you to get your hopes up about.

The Horowitz report wasn’t a “nothingburger”. The conclusions were very tightly parsed

 

[ocean515]

Read the errors.

All minor clerical errors.

:2funny:

Minor clerical errors described as

• serious performance failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications
• These failures prevented OI from fully performing its gatekeeper function and deprived the decision makers the opportunity to make fully informed decisions.
• taken together resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the information supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.
• We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions

• These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete information to OI and failing to flag important issues for discussion.

Yeah, just minor clerical errors. Nothing to see here.

Delusional....

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The Horowitz report wasn’t a “nothingburger”. The conclusions were very tightly parsed

As I said before. Keep that faith alive. Any day now.


Anything to avoid accepting reality.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

:2funny:

Minor clerical errors described as

• serious performance failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications
• These failures prevented OI from fully performing its gatekeeper function and deprived the decision makers the opportunity to make fully informed decisions.
• taken together resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the information supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.
• We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions

• These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete information to OI and failing to flag important issues for discussion.

Yeah, just minor clerical errors. Nothing to see here.

Delusional....

Read the report. It goes into quite a lot of detail regarding those mistakes.

 

[Lisa]

It's like watching a propaganda primer in real-time.

And we ask ourselves how the Germans fell for it?

I read someone quip that 1/3 of Americans would stipe another 1/3 of their rights while the last third stood by and watched from the sideline.

 

[trouble13]

Like they say, "Talk is cheap. Look at what someone does instead of what they say."

Politicians are always willing to blow out some hot air to keep the credulous riled.

All this talk about wrongdoing etc., but if they really believed it, they'd already be on it.
The fact that it's all talk and no walk tells us all we need to know about what they actually believe.

That's why it's so very hard to believe that there's a there there with a number of these things like the Biden business.
If there were a there there, the Senate et al would've already been all over it years ago.
The fact that they're only making noises instead of taking action, let's us know that they don't think there's anything there — it's just to rile the credulous.

I am a skeptic of both sides. I think all of them need to be investigated by an unbias entity.

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[Marine Electric]

He suggests that there needs to be a criminal investigation into continuing the investigation and suggests that the FISA court was outright lied to.

So, he wants to investigate the investigators that investigated the investigators?

 

[Glitch]

He suggests that there needs to be a criminal investigation into continuing the investigation and suggests that the FISA court was outright lied to.

The IG report merely confirmed what we have known for decades. The FBI is totally corrupt, and has been since J. Edgar Hoover was Director. Nothing will be done to fix it either. It will get a bunch of talking points and lip service, but don't expect anyone to actually clean up the FBI.

 

[trouble13]

To be clear, it won't be his money, it will be yours and mine.

What else is new, lol

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[ocean515]

Read the report. It goes into quite a lot of detail regarding those mistakes.

LOL

Mistakes...………….

:2rofll:

Dang, I guess the FBI under Comey was just a bunch of complete idiots. Total morons apparently.

 

[vesper]

No, he didn't. He listed 17 minor errors that had essentially no impact on the investigation.



So?

MINOR ERRORS? Seriously? Whose talking points have you adopted? Clearly you are not taking the time to read this report yourself.

Keep that faith alive. It'll happen any day now.

As a matter of fact AG Barr and Atty Durham in their statements today made it perfectly clear this criminal investigation into government misconduct is alive and well

What every American should be concerned about is how the abuse on the FISC occurred and this coming March when it is up for renewal that some serious changes are made to insure these types of abuses never happen again.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

As a matter of fact AG Barr and Atty Durham in their statements today made it perfectly clear this criminal investigation into government misconduct is alive and well

Exactly.

And when that blows up in your face, I have no doubt they'll be a new fake investigation for you to hang your hopes on.

And another one after that. And another.

You guys will probably keep believing all this bull**** for the rest of your lives.

 

[less right]

I read someone quip that 1/3 of Americans would stipe another 1/3 of their rights while the last third stood by and watched from the sideline.

I don't want to be in any of those thirds.

 

[GDViking]

i understand that it's easier to convince a brick wall than it is to convince Tweetyborg in general, but



see you all in the next FISA CT thread.

And sensebrener claimed he authored the patriot act today in his incoherent Ramblings...

 

[poweRob]

He suggests that there needs to be a criminal investigation into continuing the investigation and suggests that the FISA court was outright lied to.

She's very angry for someone who really hated trump just a couple years ago.

 

[Luckyone]

Like the House, the Senate can investigate anything they want.

And you are just going to have to sit there and take it. Horowitz is a bureaucrat review. Durham in a FBI investigator. Big difference where the rubber hits the road.

At least at the minimum, I hope Durham bankrupts everyone like Weissman and Mueller did.

It is so funny that so far there have been 4 official investigations (Mueller, Horowitz, Durham and Barr himself) and 2 of them have now shown "officially" that Russia did interfere and that the FBI did not act politically. Both of these have clearly shown that Trump has lied or been 100% wrong in his contentions that Russia did not interfere and that the FBI acted politically against Trump.

Barr and Durham, both handpicked by Trump and then by Barr have not released any findings whatsoever.

Let's see:

2 official findings = Trump and Barr wrong
2 other investigations trying to find dirt = no results.

See where this is going?

 

[eohrnberger]

The IG report merely confirmed what we have known for decades. The FBI is totally corrupt, and has been since J. Edgar Hoover was Director. Nothing will be done to fix it either. It will get a bunch of talking points and lip service, but don't expect anyone to actually clean up the FBI.

And the people's faith in a power federal institution continues to falter.

Democrats accuse others of degrading faith in the country's institutions, this extremely poor performance by the FBI by Democrat holder over FBI leadership, does more degrading of faith in the FBI institution than any criticism ever will.

As much as I hate to admit it, I think you are right. It's going to be swept under the rug. The Deep State rug.

 

[eohrnberger]

The report certainly suggests what Graham is saying.

From DOJ, 120919 Examination Report:

Conclusions Concerning All Four FISA Applications

We concluded that the failures described above and in this report represent serious performance failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications. These failures prevented OI from fully performing its gatekeeper function and deprived the decision makers the opportunity to make fully informed decisions. Although some of the factual misstatements and omissions we found in this review were arguably more significant than others, we believe t hat all of them taken together resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the information supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.

We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications, and many additional errors in the Woods Procedures. These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete information to OI and failing to flag important issues for discussion.​

When professionals submit paperwork that is bound by law to have been verified, sign an affidavit that the information is factual and has been verified, and then has 17 significant errors or omissions in it, how truthful, believable, and credible can that person or that paperwork be?

Not only that, the same basis was used for 3 extensions. So that's committing the same 17 significant errors or omissions over, and over, and over, and over, rather than correcting it. It makes it 4 times, or more, worse.

A rather shockingly extremely poor performance from the preeminent law enforcement agency of the US which has as much power over the people of this nation as it does.

Yeah, hard to not consider the FISA Warrant application to be anything but repeated fraud on the FISA court. If I were those judges, I'd fit to be tied, and I'd be going after some people over being lied to and defrauded like that.

But then, who knows which judge is going to be assigned to Durham's case? Might it be one of the FISA court judges? :shrug: An entertaining thought.

 

[GDViking]

Exactly.

And when that blows up in your face, I have no doubt they'll be a new fake investigation for you to hang your hopes on.

And another one after that. And another.

You guys will probably keep believing all this bull**** for the rest of your lives.

Benghazi!!!