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AFAIK they have no jurisdiction to jail Palestinians that have committed attacks against Israelis and these matters are handled by the Israelis themselves
Yep some do celebrate/congratulate , as do some Israelis do when in the same position , as per the content of the OP
In token gestures aimed at PR I agree. They also fail to investigate others on many occasions too. Maybe the video of Azaria actually committing the crime was pretty hard to refute eh ? Hence the ban on those hoping to film the IDF in action no doubt
Didn't happen. Occupying soldiers are not " innocents " and the Palestinians have the right to resist and attack the IDF in their bid to free themselves from occupation and attain self determination
Can't help yourself , can you ? :roll:
Has any Palestinian been jailed by the Palestinians for the death of an Israeli?
Last time I checked they were congratulated.
But clearly the Israeli Army is willing to jail one of their own in this case.
BTW - Calling the murder of innocents "legitimate" is disgusting.
Now cry more.
You're wrong of course.
They are innocent.
The occupation isn't 'evil' in its nature, it is there to protect lives from terrorists and as long as it's necessary it must be upheld by every moral standard. Calling for the murder of innocents is however completely evil.
You are correct. In his attempt to promote further propaganda in the name of evil and barbarism onewolrd2 does a service to show the differences between the moral and civilized side and its dark and backwards opposition.
No I'm not wrong. People have the right to resist , up to and including armed resistance , the forces of an occupying army. It's such an obvious state of affairs that your unwillingness to accept it only shows how much of an extremist you are
No they are not. They are violently suppressing , brutally occupying and assisting the illegal settling going on there. They are violating the human rights of the Palestinians on a grand scale including their right to self determination.
To deny it is futile seeing as it is already well documented
Soldiers are not innocents and nobody has " called for the murder " of anybody. They have commented on the conflict in a way you don't like , tough
Your constant lies and misrepresentations aimed at stirring up trouble ruin this subforum in so many threads it's untrue. Get a grip of yourself and try to debate honestly for a change
Pathetic
You might not like it , you might not want others to see it , but there are evil , disgusting , extremists on both sides
Your constant references to terrorist Palestinians and innocent Israelis is as pathetic as it is patently untrue
Stay on topic and quit your inaccurate , deliberately antagonistic , posts that are only aimed at trying to shut the thread down
We've already been through this.
There is no right to murder soldiers who enforce an occupation.
A military occupation isn't something that's automatically not legitimate and it can be justified, and the act of killing can only be legitimate when done in self-defense.
Your belief that soldiers aren't innocent because they are enforcing a military occupation, in this case to defend from terrorism, and thus there is a "right" to murder them, is obviously based on wishful thinking of one who bases his entire agenda and world view on the support for the murdering of innocents.
You have no right to murder a 18 year old kid because he's defending civilians from possible terror attacks.
The moral people who want to end the situation of an occupation should call for its ending through nonviolent means. Supporting murder isn't moral in any possible way.
Those who nevertheless wish to see the removal of the occupation without first reaching an agreement that can lift it, should be calling for alternative solutions to the occupation that will ensure the safety of humans from those willing to take their lives in the name of their God.
Those who call for the lifting of the occupation while at the same time not providing any reasonable alternative are just extremists who should be opposed.
Your position of course is more than just extreme, it's completely evil and promotes the murder of innocents under a non-existent "right" you claim the murderers have to engage in the act of murder.
It's an armed conflict and you are claiming that only one side has the right to kill. It's typical of your one eyed approach to everything about this subject and shows a ridiculous bias and detachment from reality.
Most people here are already aware of your ridiculous and extremist views along with your wish to derail every thread you don't like views so ................. rant on
It's an armed conflict and you are claiming that only one side has the right to kill. It's typical of your one eyed approach to everything about this subject and shows a ridiculous bias and detachment from reality.
Most people here are already aware of your ridiculous and extremist views along with your wish to derail every thread you don't like so ................. rant on
I know you think every action taken by Palestinian against Israelis are " terrorist " attacks but that is down to your ignorance of the subject and not any kind of reflection of the reality
If this is indeed an armed conflict where are the uniforms and markings of the Palestinian attackers?
What war was declared?
What command do they serve?
It appears they would be declared unlawful combatants.
My guess is that had this been a Palestinian Arab/Israeli political party minister using a Palestinian murderer of an Israeli to try to gain support for their political chances the term " idiot " would NOT be used to describe them
The facts were straight. Maybe that's why you declined to make the allegation that they were not without actually citing anything false ?
I set out as to what was the point of this thread in the OP. The degrading effect on both sets of people. It was clear enough. That you appear to bemoan the " point of this thread " and your general disjointedness about it makes me think it ruffled your feathers a little. Maybe you are happier when people are just focusing on some of the uglier parts displayed by some Palestinians.
That there are others like him ( Mazuz ) or even worse I have no doubt but the thread was about him in particular regardless of where he is on any looney Israeli politician scale
the UK will pay a family of a soldier who sliced the throut of a sleeping baby ?As for the PA ( PLO ) policy of paying those people or their family members that are killed , injured or imprisoned due to the conflict/actions related to it ,people should perhaps remind themselves that this is pretty standard practice elsewhere too
Here in the UK the government compensates soldiers/widows/ the families/ of those killed or maimed due to armed conflicts they have taken part in
Beyond simply disgusting. It's completely inhuman in its monstrosity and pure evil. But you should have come to expect that by now.
If a palestinian politician would show support to a palestinian who executed illegaly a jewish terrorist I would think nothing of it, actually ehat Mazuz did would bother me even more
no they are not, for starters Yaron Mazuz isnt a minister and never was, he was anonymous until recently.
As i said, there are much more outrageous cannadits than Yaron Mazuz in Israel who are much more dangerous than Yaron Mazuz.
This shows nothing about Israeli society as every nation has its set of idiots and dangerous politicians, Americans even choose one to lead them, thankfully we are not there yet, and here they are mostly representing the outlines of our society.
the UK will pay a family of a soldier who sliced the throut of a sleeping baby ?
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The intent makes the terrorist....
What was the intent behind the attacks?
If this is indeed an armed conflict where are the uniforms and markings of the Palestinian attackers?
What war was declared?
What command do they serve?
It appears they would be declared unlawful combatants.
Spare me the "most people think like I do" nonsense. It's the worst way one could choose to admit to his extremism, to be looking for outside approval, and it has become somehow attached to nearly every one of your comments here.
Your words are in approval of some imaginary right that people have in your view to commit acts of murder.
Such right doesn't exist, and you basically support murder.
There is no "warfare" between civilians and soldiers. Just like a soldier cannot walk up and murder a civilian, a civilian cannot pick up arms and try to murder a soldier. That's just murder. The soldier is innocent, no matter how much it disappoints you. There is no automatic "evil" in military occupations. And above all, the act of killing can only be justified by self-defense. There is a double standard when you claim that it's not legitimate to execute a person who stabbed and tried to murder, while you support the act of murdering a soldier who has not attacked anyone.
Having listened to Finkelsteins analysis on this very subject I am inclined to take his word over yours all day long
The right to resist a foreign military occupation of your territory is so fundamentally an inalienable right , a moral right , that to try to class it as , somehow , illegal/illegitimate is hilarious and only confirms you as the extremist most of your other views also underscore
Of course it is monstrously evil to point out that both sides have ugly extremists doing and supporting sickening actions/views. I should perhaps seek to placate people like you and just talk of them when they are Palestinians ? Not likely , the place requires a bit more balance than that imo
I disagree , the target makes the difference. If you are targeting the military of an occupying power then it is not terrorism but an act of legitimate armed resistance
You should be more honest and admit it is the fact that a Palestinian has committed the act that makes it , in your opinion , a terrorist attack. It's been so obvious for so long
If there was such right you would refer to it by now.
It's a made up right by those who wish to feel good with their desire to have innocents murdered.
Well that's the picture many people seem to only want to see. You know , Palestinians being something akin to a human sub species dogged by a natural inclination to violence/barbarism , unable to offer anything else. Colours many posts here from many posters too.
You pick one act possibly to usher people to think that this is the typical example of payments made to Palestinians killed, injured , imprisoned as a result of actions related to the conflict by the PA. Don't get me wrong I think a payment to a person that does such a heinous thing is totally abhorrent and I would not support it but acts like that must account for a pretty miniscule percentage of the whole. Those paid out include everything from those injured/killed whilst stone throwing through to those in administrative detention for political activism . And for these types of " crimes " I see little difference to the payments given to Westerners for those injured or killed in conflicts
That's not what you said, you compared British troops to terrorists.
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