Life begins at conception...

[Bodi]

:bravo: Brilliant rendition of your position.

Thank you for displaying a higher standard of conversation for me again...

 

[Bodi]

I value the needs of the fully-formed, independent, viable human a lot more than the partially-formed, non-viable, dependent proto-human growing in her body.

When is the life fully formed? Since human life is not fully formed until after 20 years of age, you obviously just shot your whole position down in one fell swoop.

Well done. :roll:

 

[Thunder]

When is the life fully formed? Since human life is not fully formed until after 20 years of age, you obviously just shot your whole position down in one fell swoop.

Well done. :roll:

a female human that can have babies, is fully-formed.

her needs trump those of a 1-day old zygote in her uterus.

 

[majora$$hole]

In your opinion - but not from my view.

okay so what do you suggest we replace the law with to promote order in the society?

 

[majora$$hole]

Yeah, I read it. It's wrong info but I read it. I posted the actual facts earlier in this thread. The overwhelming vast majority of abortions pre RvW, illegal and legal were performed by doctors.

But thanks for noting you were wrong about the illegality of abortions performed to save the life of the mother.

now you are just being obtuse it was a link YOU posted why did you post it if it was the "wrong info".

 

[Alyssa]

When is the life fully formed? Since human life is not fully formed until after 20 years of age, you obviously just shot your whole position down in one fell swoop.

Well done. :roll:

lol seriously? Now you're comparing a 20 year old person to a ZEF. You do realize the differences, don't you?

 

[1Perry]

now you are just being obtuse it was a link YOU posted why did you post it if it was the "wrong info".

So you wouldn't dismiss the part about how abortions for the life of the mother have always been legal. I noted it was from a pro-choice advocate. I then noted that they spun some of the info for their own reasons but the fact is, abortion has always been legal to save the life of the mother.

 

[majora$$hole]

So you wouldn't dismiss the part about how abortions for the life of the mother have always been legal. I noted it was from a pro-choice advocate. I then noted that they spun some of the info for their own reasons but the fact is, abortion has always been legal to save the life of the mother.

the link you posted said from the 1800's to 1973 there was only one state in 50 where this was the case and after r.v.w. it was made legal for all 50 states. so you are only partially correct.

 

[Thunder]

lol seriously? Now you're comparing a 20 year old person to a ZEF. You do realize the differences, don't you?

suggesting a zygote is 100% equal in its humanity to a 20 year old adult, really does disenfranchize the 20 year old of her humanity.

 

[Alyssa]

suggesting a zygote is 100% equal in its humanity to a 20 year old adult, really does disenfranchize the 20 year old of her humanity.

It's a retarded comparison that makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[Thunder]

It's a retarded comparison that makes absolutely zero sense.

I don't think making sense is the objective, with that comparison.

 

[1Perry]

the link you posted said from the 1800's to 1973 there was only one state in 50 where this was the case and after r.v.w. it was made legal for all 50 states. so you are only partially correct.

Sorry, I'm not wasting my time with someone unable to read. Just for giggles I'll break it down for you.

By 1910 all but one state had criminalized abortion except where necessary, in a doctor's judgment, to save the woman's life.

By 1910 all but one state had criminalized abortion except where necessary

By 1910 only one state had not criminalized abortion except where necessary.

Necessary meant?

to save the woman's life.

Now if you want to say that I was only partially correct as in it's possible that this one state made it illegal even for the life of the woman, that's possible but more likely is that one state didn't make it illegal at all.

Maybe I can find what the status of that one state was later.

 

[Bodi]

a female human that can have babies, is fully-formed.

her needs trump those of a 1-day old zygote in her uterus.

Oh brother... do you even know that you are dodging the point? Read it again and answer like one that has thought about it... good job.

 

[Thunder]

Oh brother... do you even know that you are dodging the point? Read it again and answer like one that has thought about it... good job.

i value the thought-out and difficult needs of a 20 year old pregnant woman, more than the non-existent desires and aspirations of a 2-day old Zygote.

 

[Bodi]

lol seriously? Now you're comparing a 20 year old person to a ZEF. You do realize the differences, don't you?

Obviously... which leads me to again understand that you can't follow the point of why I said what I said. Typical.

Seriously, try thinking about what is said PRIOR to responding...

 

[Bodi]

i value the thought-out and difficult needs of a 20 year old pregnant woman, more than the non-existent desires and aspirations of a 2-day old Zygote.

Yep. You just don't understand the point at all, do you. That is rhetorical.

 

[Thunder]

Yep. You just don't understand the point at all, do you. That is rhetorical.

wrong.

sorry.

 

[Bodi]

wrong.

sorry.

Then why do you not just respond to the point instead of dodging about like a gnat worried about getting swatted?

 

[Thunder]

Then why do you not just respond to the point instead of dodging about like a gnat worried about getting swatted?

what's your question?

 

[Bodi]

what's your question?

You said that a non-fully developed human (an embryo) is not deserving of rights, or something close. I said that a human does not fully develop until after 20 years of age. It was not a question, it was a point.

 

[Thunder]

You said that a non-fully developed human (an embryo) is not deserving of rights, or something close.

if you are not going to take the 5 minutes to make sure you are quoting me correctly, why should I waste any time on responding to you?

I said that a human does not fully develop until after 20 years of age.

no, a human becomes fully human long before its 20 years old.

 

[Bodi]

if you are not going to take the 5 minutes to make sure you are quoting me correctly, why should I waste any time on responding to you?

Then don't. Just wallow in your ignorance... probably worked pretty good for you so far.

no, a human becomes fully human long before its 20 years old.

FULLY Developed.

. F . U . L . L . Y .

. D . E . V . E . L . O . P . E . D .

Seriously... start reading better.

 

[Thunder]

Seriously... start reading better.

ok...........

 

[Bodi]

ok...........

All right, so you won't respond to the point a second time and it is almost official that you are either a really bad troll or one that just isn't that deep of a thinker. Either way, you are becoming fast boring.

 

[Thunder]

All right, so you won't respond to the point....

the only point you have is that you have no evidence, have no interest in finding evidence, and feel no need for evidence to develop you views on highly sophisticated matters.

you just go with "what feel right".