SouthernDemocrat said:Kids know about contraceptives. However, access to them is a different story. Moreover, they may know how to put on a condom, but I doubt that most inner city girls know about all the different contraceptive options available, much less have real access to them.
The problem to correcting that is that the Religious Right, has made sure that teaching anything other than pure abstinence in sex education classes and or providing access to contraceptives or teaching about them disqualifies schools from receiving any federal funding for sex ed.
As to your other assertions, frankly you are living in a dream world. They remind me of the old joke: “Vote Republican, it’s easier than thinking”. I did some CASA volunteer work back when I was single. We don’t have the funding or the social infrastructure to start taking away kids from lazy parents even if we wanted to. To take a child away from its parents, you have to prove the parents to be completely unfit to parent that child. Reasons for this would be things like imprisonment, chronic and sustained drug addiction, physical or sexual abuse of the child, or the parents lacking the mental capabilities to take care of the child. Laziness alone simply does not qualify.
So what are you going to do then, just start taking kids away from lazy sit on their *** parents? The problems in doing so are numerous. For one, the costs would far exceed the costs of welfare. Two, the psychological damage inflicted children who are taken away from their parents and placed as wards of the state are very severe. Three, there are not nearly enough foster families to house them all. Four, they would be virtually impossible to adopt out. Few people are looking to adopt entire families of inner city children. Five, it only makes the problem worse, children who are taken from their parents are statistically much more likely to use drugs or become pregnant at an early age. Finally, many of these children are not with their birth parents anyway, but rather their grandparents and in some cases even great-grandparents are stuck raising them.
Deadbeat parents drawing welfare pisses me off as much as the next guy, but unfortunately welfare is a necessary evil. The only alternative would be all the children of those deadbeat parents walking the streets on the brink of starvation looking for handouts like some scene out of Sub-Saharan Africa or something.
It seems to me that the better option is to pragmatically attack the causes of poverty. Less poverty = Less welfare. Less unintended pregnancies = Less poverty = Less welfare = Lower crime = Better schools = More Economic Opportunity = Less unintended pregnancies and the cycle continues.
We have tried simply locking people up. Being that we now have the highest incarceration rate on earth, it obviously doesn’t work. We have tried just ignoring the problem, that doesn’t work either. Prior to all these social programs, the poverty rate was well over 30%, since the 60s, it has never been above 13% or so. Obviously, those social programs have had some success. At this point, the answer is attacking the causes of poverty, not the safety net.
Deegan said:“Vote Republican, it’s easier than thinking”.:roll:
This is your f**king answer for everything, I'm done trying to have an intelligent discussion with you sir, you are an arrogant prick. You obviously have no idea how the world works, or how welfare has destroyed the very fabric of our nation. Goldwater had it right, and it was the liberals that started to call him a racist, among other things, for his efforts. This country has become what he feared most, people don't want a hand up, they want a hand out, and he could see this reality, while liberals trashed him for speaking the truth. Now you arrogant pricks have the nerve to try and talk like he is in your camp today, or would be, oh brother, the nerve, more crust then a f**king pie factory.:roll:
You were the last person on the left I thought worth debating here, I guess I don't need to come here anymore.
jallman said:So basically, you made an egregious claim that NAMBLA was invited to the gay pride parades, and then when I called you to task, you found my need for you to back up your claim to be...what was the word...oh yeah, stupid. How much more trifling can you be...
SouthernDemocrat said:1) Then why being that Republicans have held congress for 12 years, and the Whitehouse for 6, have you been unable to enact zero of the Social Conservative Agenda?
2) the two presidents in the last 100 years that made the largest impact upon the United States in terms of getting their agenda enacted was FDR and LBJ. Virtually the entire public sector, and largely our society is their doing. As far as lasting Republican Accomplishments, you have Eisenhower and the Interstate Highway System, Nixon and the EPA and opening up China, and Reagan and ending the Cold War. Those are all certainly no small accomplishment. Especially on the part of Reagan. However, virtually every other aspect of government is the work of Liberals and Progressives. Weekends off, Medicare, Social Security, Child Labor Laws, Worker Protections, The Minimum Wage, National Parks, National Forests, Clean Air, Clean Water, Civil Rights, The Marshall Plan, Women's Sufferage, Public Radio and Television.... the list goes on and on. Our entire society is built upon the work of those liberals and progressives you love to hate. Hell, even Ronald Reagan's favorite President and Childhood Hero was none other than FDR, probably the most liberal president in the history of the United States.
aquapub said:1) I believe conservatives HAVE enacted numerous core parts of their agenda.
2) Several of these examples are negatives, several of them are not products of liberals, and several of them you are just plain wrong about.
Example:
Eisenhower (R) integrated the schools. George Wallace (D) said, "segregation now, segregation forever," and refused to cooperate until the National Guard forced him to.
There are tons of holes like this in your exhaustive (if not panicked) spin job here.
aquapub said:I still have yet to see any liberal here even attempt to confront the ugly indications of McCain-Feingold or of liberal book, radio sales always going down the toilet (mentioned in the intro).
SouthernDemocrat said:1) Uh, your liberal book argument as absurd as it is has already been throughly debunked by everyone in your thread devoted to it. I don't even think you had a conservative on here agree with it.
2) As to radio, what about NPR and its 30 million listeners?
3) Aquapub, you seem like an intelligent individual but your intelligence is quite under utilized do to your irrational and pathological hatred of liberals.
4) Basically, you are a like a Klansman, where liberals are your Black or Jew. Its unfortunate, it really is.
SouthernDemocrat said:History lesson. George Wallace was a very conservative Democrat.
SouthernDemocrat said:The fact is, every time a conservative today even attempts to touch Social Security, Medicare, Farm Subsidies, or really any social program at all, they pay dearly at the polls. If this is such a conservative nation, then why is that the case?
Iriemon said:Democratic candidates are typically financially supported by populist, grass-roots movements of a broad section of society giving small amounts of money.
aquapub said:2) 650 million Americans, 30 million is well within the liberal fringe.
Voidwar said:The CIA World Factbook puts U.S. population at 298 million as of July 2006.
Voidwar said:I'd like to see you attempt to prove this.
Voidwar said:I'd like to see you attempt to prove this.
Iriemon said:See post #21.
aquapub said:I know liberals have an aversion to facts and evidence, but post #21 (on page 2) doesn't contain any facts or evidence, just your re-assurances that you're right and you moronically portraying evidence I presented from a non-partisan campaign finance tracking group as me using myself as a source.
:ws
You don't seem very good at this debating thing, so I will show you how to present evidence and facts again:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gover...rats-rich.html?highlight=democrats+favor+rich
This time you might want to actually try reading.
jallman said:Since when did quoting referencing yourself become an acceptable source? You don't seem very good at this debating thing...
I wonder what aqua is doing tonight?Iriemon said:LMFAO! I couldn't make this stuff up! "I'll show you how to present evidence and facts again" hehehheheh
jfuh said:I wonder what aqua is doing tonight?
Speaking of NP, He's going to need to change his avatar to one of my choice now hehehehe, I'll wait till it's "official".danarhea said:Yea, he was so sure of himself, I was positive he would show up tonight and gloat...... Hmmmm, Navy Pride seems to be MIA as well.:rofl
Indy said:Aquapub, I totally agree. Liberals are in the minority. Unfortunately for you though conservatives are ALSO in the minority. The truth of the matter is that the MAJORITY consists of moderates.
BubbaBob said:Gay marriage...it was on the ballot in 8 states...7 of them rejected gay marriage...a decidedly conservative issue.
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