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Liberals: The True Minority

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Iriemon]Democratic candidates are typically financially supported by populist, grass-roots movements of a broad section of society giving small amounts of money.[/B]

Republicans obtain power by pandering to special interest groups favoring the very wealthiest and the corporate power brokers, who use loop holes to funnel millions to political campaigns, and are rewarded later with favorable legislation that has help the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.
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Yeah like George Soros, Warren Buffet. Paul Allen, and Bill gates......They are just small potatoes, right........:roll:
 
jfuh said:
Hate to break it to you NP, you're not a conservative just because you say you are. See, Orwellian doctrine that this administration is adopting which you blindly support goes completely against conservative ideology of a minimalist government that stays the **** out of ppl's lives.
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Another far lefty doing it........:rofl
 
And if the Republicans ever put up a decent moderate candidate also I would probably vote for them. Especially If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination then I will throw my support behind McCain
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Well that is probably the way its going down So I am glad to hear that........I will probably vote for McCain anyway because sadly your party being controlled by the far left will not nominate a Moderate........

I am glad to see that you are separating the two and distinguishing the two different wars for their Ideological value. Most conservatives would lump the two together and claim they are one in the same.
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I actually do lump the two because I believe that its better to fight terrorists in the streets of Baghdad then in the streets of where I live........

true there are some extreme Liberals who are pro-peace and are turn the other cheek Types. but High and far most of the "liberals" support the ongoing war on terror. They just do not support how it is handled or the War in Iraq. What I think you are doing here in your last statement is assuming the worst and most unlikely scenario as an appeal to the people.Most will more than likely disregard such.[/
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My assumption is based on if Democrats take over the Congress far left people like Reid, Pelosi and Dean will be dictating policy and to me that is scary........
 
Captain America said:
The way they have "redifined" conservatives in this day and age, I'm with you on that one Iriemon. I used to be proud to call myself conservative but the label has been so bastardized as of late if somebody refers to me as one of them, "them's fightin' words!"
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This is exactly my point. I did not use the term progressive to define NP of being left of center in any way shape or form. He is not. BUT, he does advocate many things which are directly against the original conservative viewpoint, such as original intent of the constitution (i.e. not ammending it to change the way things are defined, i.e. not bastardizing the 2nd ammendment to allow any type of guns on the streets, i.e. changing the interpretation of treaties our gov't has entered into), and adding laws who's only purpose is to allow more gov't control in peoples lives (banning abortion, banning stem cell research, etc.). These are not conservative stances. NP and the wackos you see on TV may call them that, but just because I call a carrot purple doesn't mean squat.
 
Navy Pride said:
Another far lefty doing it........:rofl
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Lame. Another closet progressive calling their opponent a far lefty. ::yawn::
 
Navy Pride said:
Huh? you better quit snorting that stuff my Liberal friend....Its eating your brain cells......
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Lame. Another closet progressive calling their.... wait I've already said this to you before. Are you noticing a pattern my friend?
 
Navy Pride said:
A far left Liberal trying to define a Conservative...I love it......
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Lame. Another closet progressive..... damnit!!! You made me do it again. NP you need to get some new material!
 
Navy Pride said:
That is a good one isn't it Iriemon.......A Liberal calling me a Liberal when we disagree on every issue........
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Lame. Another closet progressive calling their opponent... do I really need to finish this? Haven't you gotten the point yet NP? You're looking a fool here.
 
Indy said:
Lame. Another closet progressive calling their.... wait I've already said this to you before. Are you noticing a pattern my friend?
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I must be missing something here, how is NP a progressive?
 
Captain America said:
Progressive alzheimers maybe. :mrgreen:
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I don't know what to classify him other than a bushnevick/hardcore GOP apologetic.
 
jfuh said:
I don't know what to classify him other than a bushnevick/hardcore GOP apologetic.
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I do. But it would probably cost me demerits. :roll:
 
jfuh said:
I must be missing something here, how is NP a progressive?
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I am a lot of things my friend but a Liberal is not one of them.......If you take a real Liberal Indy for example there is not one issue I agree with him on.......

He can have his fun with his silly retorts but he knows in his heart of hearts I am right...............

Why he is ashamed to be addressed as a Liberal I will never know.........You take yourself your a Liberal and proud of it..........I am a Conservative and proud of it.........I wear my conservatism on my sleeve like a badge of honor.........

This is my last post on this ....Lets get back on topic.........
 
Navy Pride said:
I am a lot of things my friend but a Liberal is not one of them.......If you take a real Liberal Indy for example there is not one issue I agree with him on.......

He can have his fun with his silly retorts but he knows in his heart of hearts I am right...............

Why he is ashamed to be addressed as a Liberal I will never know.........You take yourself your a Liberal and proud of it..........I am a Conservative and proud of it.........I wear my conservatism on my sleeve like a badge of honor.........

This is my last post on this ....Lets get back on topic.........
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You are not a conservative at all.
What rights have you conserved? You support the admin on torture, on warrentless phone taps and so on, how is that conserving american principles?
You can call yourself a conservative, but you are not a conservative.
 
jfuh said:
You are not a conservative at all.
What rights have you conserved? You support the admin on torture, on warrentless phone taps and so on, how is that conserving american principles?
You can call yourself a conservative, but you are not a conservative.
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exactly my point. Lets move on now.
 
The Netherlands reprsents an illustrative example in the paradox inherent in what we now call liberal and conservative. Before Pim Fortuyn was murdered, he was invariably cast as some sort of extreme right polititician, yet here he was an openly gay man who was attempting to conserve Holland's LIBERAL traditions when it came to tolerance and women's rights. Do we call him a conservative for wanting to conserve values or a liberal because the values he wishes to conserve are liberal?

I think we are experiencing almost a paradigm shift in our perception of these labels, and this is a result of the jackboot of Islamism confronting us. Despite the fact that this ideology represents the complete antitheses of liberality, it the conservatives who are more likely to oppose it and the liberals more likely to act as apologists for it. Many of today's conservatives are actually supporting liberal values, while many of today's liberals abandon these values in favor of political dogma.

I think until the left can get their heads around the fact that Islamism is the expression of a visciously totalitarian ideology and stop all the politically correct posturing and apologia, they really can't be called liberal. Not in the sense of what the term really means, anyway.

So in that, I would say yes -- liberals are in a distinct minority. There just aren't many left these days.
 
Navy Pride said:
A far left Liberal trying to define a Conservative...I love it......
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Why not? You're a far right conservative trying to describe a liberal. Pot meet kettle.
 
Indy said:
Aquapub, I totally agree. Liberals are in the minority. Unfortunately for you though conservatives are ALSO in the minority. The truth of the matter is that the MAJORITY consists of moderates. So... so much for your argument that republicans are any better.
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Republicans being better isn't particularly what my point was. Just that Republicans represent Middle America and the average Joe far more than do Democrats.

How many normal people do you think will identify with the values of the probable new Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who marches in gay pride parades next to members of NAMBLA?

Middle America is nothing like the left. Joe Scarborough is far more representative.
 
aquapub said:
How many normal people do you think will identify with the values of the probable new Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who marches in gay pride parades next to members of NAMBLA?
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Would you care to show me proof of NAMBLA members being invited to march in gay pride parades?
 
aquapub said:
Republicans being better isn't particularly what my point was. Just that Republicans represent Middle America and the average Joe far more than do Democrats.

How many normal people do you think will identify with the values of the probable new Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who marches in gay pride parades next to members of NAMBLA?

Middle America is nothing like the left. Joe Scarborough is far more representative.
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Then why would there be more registered Democrats than Republicans?

Why have Republicans only held congress for 12 out of the last 60 years?

Why when polled, on virtually all issues other than Defense, the majority of Americans take the Democratic Position.

For example:

When Polled, 70% of Americans believe the United States should ratify the Kyto Treaty.

http://www.americans-world.org/digest/global_issues/global_warming/gw2.cfm

When Polled, a solid majority of Americans are to one degree or another Pro-Choice.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/22/opinion/polls/main537570.shtml

When Polled, a solid majority of Americans disagree with the Bush Administration and Republican Environmental policies.

http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm

When Polled, 83% of Americans want the Minimum Wage increased.

http://pewresearch.org/obdeck/?ObDeckID=18

When Polled, 62% of Americans support government ran Universal Healthcare.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2004/nf20040421_5331_db_080.htm

When Polled, a majority of Americans are in favor of Civil Unions for Gays and Lesbians.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4496265/

When Polled, a majority of Americans favor Affirmative Action.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/23/opinion/polls/main537753.shtml

When Polled a 7 out of 10 Americans would have rather had more Jobs programs than a tax cut. A majority of Americans would have rather had deficit reductions than a tax cut.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/15/news/economy/election_moneypoll/

Do I even need to get into polls on the war in Iraq or Bush's approval ratings compared to Clintons?

With numbers like these, it would seem that the majority of Americans are to the left of even most Democrats on every issue other than Defense, and even there, the margin is not that strong for conservatives.

The fact is, Democrats have not been doing well lately because their candidates have sucked, not because the majority of Americans don't agree with them.

Conversely, Republicans have been winning slim victories because they are doing a better job or dragging out fundies in large numbers to the polls, not because the majority of Americans actually agree with most of their ideas.
 
TheNextEra said:
Why not? You're a far right conservative trying to describe a liberal. Pot meet kettle.
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notice NP never responded to this one.:cool:
 
ModerateDem said:
notice NP never responded to this one.:cool:
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Sorry about that MD, I don't pay much attention to his/her posts......

As far as his post goes my friend, If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its usually a duck.........
 
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