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I think I do have standing. Conservatives generally don't sign up for getting money out of politics; and it's really quite silly, since it isn't really possible. We consider it free speech.
This is going to be really complex, so try and keep up: liberals, as a general rule, tend to favor changing the rules to restrict dark money. They do not suggest nor imply any one should not follow the current rules.
The nonpartisan organization Issue One disagrees with statement. Do you have anything to disprove their claim or simply just throwing out one liners that are not accurate according to Issue One.
Where does it say that dems take dark money? Quote it
Hint: It doesnt say that
Read the op it’s quoted there. Did you even read the article?
The last sentence is bull. But if it weren't bull it would be yet another reason you don't have standing to whine about this. You should be celebrating Democrats 'speech' instead of making a gotcha thread, if you meant it.
I'm sure you'd love if it Democrats stood on principle and started turning away donations to show their continued opposition to Citizens United, but whatever.
The last sentence is bull. But if it weren't bull it would be yet another reason you don't have standing to whine about this. You should be celebrating Democrats 'speech' instead of making a gotcha thread, if you meant it.
I'm sure you'd love if it Democrats stood on principle and started turning away donations to show their continued opposition to Citizens United, but whatever.
Believing in principles means doing what you consider right, even if others are doing something different. You cant have it both ways.
I don’t take issue with Democrats taking more dark money than Republicans. I have an issue with Democrats taking more money then speaking out their ass about how evil it is for Republicans to take money. More Democrats pushing do as I say not as I do bull****
Where does it say that dems take dark money? Quote it
Hint: It doesnt say that
No it does not say that in the op. It says liberal groups raise dark money. It does not say the liberal groups give that money to dems
Here's a list of candidates, both R and D, that took "dark money" donations;
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/nonprof_cands.php
Outside spending — sometimes referred to as independent or non-coordinated — spending refers to political expenditures made by organizations and individuals other than the candidate campaigns themselves.
I’m trying to figure out if your serious or simply stubborn
Here's a list of candidates, both R and D, that took "dark money" donations;
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/nonprof_cands.php
You would have to add the value of free advertising on Fox and Sinclairs propoganda stations to the rights total.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/li...-outspent-conservative-ones-in-2018-elections
Uhhh, I thought Democrats were for getting money out of politics. :3oops:
I’m trying to figure out if your serious or simply stubborn
None of those candidates took any dark money. That is a list of which candidates the orgs spent their dark money on.
From your own source
https://www.opensecrets.org/dark-money/basics
True and the candidates benefited from that dark money spent in their behalf. Sounds like a super pac except pacs have to report their donors.
Standing up for what's right?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/li...-outspent-conservative-ones-in-2018-elections
Uhhh, I thought Democrats were for getting money out of politics. :3oops:
Again, not a single candidate "took" any dark money donations. They aren't donations at all. Groups form independent orgs, raise money, then spend it to influence elections. The candidate is prohibited by law from involving him/herself anywhere in that process.
Obviously party insiders are involved in many of those efforts, but the point is that if Buffett decides to drop a $billion in ads to oust Trump in 2020, there is nothing, zero, any Democrat can do to stop him, and you can't credibly claim the Democratic nominee "took" donations from Buffett. They benefit from the spending, but they cannot accept or refuse a nickel in "dark money" donations. It's not how they work.
501(c)(4)'s and (6)'s are dark money and not tax-deductible for the individual or corporation making the donation. These organizations are allowed to donate to political committees to the benefit of candidates.
I'm sure you lot would love it if the Dems kept falling on their swords. Enough of that. You fight dirty every single time. You deserve every last bit you get from now on. And since you always fight dirty, you don't have standing to whine about it.
:shrug:
I think I do have standing. Conservatives generally don't sign up for getting money out of politics; and it's really quite silly, since it isn't really possible. We consider it free speech.
The last sentence is bull. But if it weren't bull it would be yet another reason you don't have standing to whine about this. You should be celebrating Democrats 'speech' instead of making a gotcha thread, if you meant it.
I'm sure you'd love if it Democrats stood on principle and started turning away donations to show their continued opposition to Citizens United, but whatever.
Yeah, let's celebrate their hypocrisy.
Close enough
IOW, I was right. No dems take any dark money
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/li...-outspent-conservative-ones-in-2018-elections
Uhhh, I thought Democrats were for getting money out of politics. :3oops:
And those "political committees" (I guess you're talking Super PACS) are also by law "independent" of the candidate or his or her official campaign, and cannot coordinate with the candidate.
In that case the 'dark money' groups are just a way to launder the contributions to a Super PAC that does disclose donors. Some of them are very explicit about this - donate to us, we'll keep your name secret, then our money goes to this Super PAC with the expertise to spend it wisely. Still independent, still nothing to do with the candidate, at least on paper.
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