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Let's Ban Pit Bulls

Vox said:
What's unfair is dismissing many thousands of actual and horrific attacks each year.......that are documented by police reports, hospital records, news articles and broken faces, limbs and hearts.......

And using your own personal ANECDOTAL experience with three pit bulls as "proof" that.......somehow......the many thousands of broken hearts EACH YEAR don't exist.

Oh.......they just never happened because.........your three pit bulls.

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You realize the flip side of that coin, right? For every one you can post, there are untold scores of ones you will never hear about, why? The ones that never happen don't make the news!
 
Slingshot Bob said:
You realize the flip side of that coin, right? For every one you can post, there are untold scores of ones you will never hear about, why? The ones that never happen don't make the news!
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Yes, and that nullifies the many thousands of dead and wounded every year.

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Vox you want evidence? Have you looked at the American Temperament Test Society? Because their evidence shows that all breeds of pit bulls score very high. All you got is anecdotal evidence. Pretty ironic.


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Vox said:
Sometimes the owners DO have something to do with it.

But the pit bull ALWAYS has something to do with it.

"Sometimes."

"ALWAYS."

Are you starting to get it?

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No, because you've given us absolutely no conclusive evidence that would allow us to believe that pit bulls "ALWAYS" have something to do with it. You've merely shown us that pit bulls tend to be the ones biting and killing in this day and age, but the type of breed that has done this has varied overtime. Great Danes used to be the ones responsible for the most fatal dog-bites per year at one time, for example. Your INCREDIBLE simplifcation of the data ignores all other factors such as owner responsibility, popularity of the breed, and the treatment of the animal that could be contributing to this increase in pit bull related fatalities, and so there's really no reason to take you seriously. MANY of the dogs that wind up killing people are off leash and roaming, which could be averted by stricter leash laws and fencing requirements. I've linked a study which will hopefully clear a lot of this nonsense up.

https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/javma_000915_fatalattacks.pdf

• In contrast to what has been reported in the news media, the data contained within this report CANNOT be used to infer any breed-specific risk for dog bite fatalities (e.g., neither pit bull-type dogs nor Rottweilers can be said to be more “dangerous” than any other breed based on the contents of this report). To obtain such risk information it would be necessary to know the numbers of each breed currently residing in the United States. Such information is not available.

• Data in this report indicate that the number of dogs of a given breed associated with fatal human attacks varies over time, further suggesting that such data should not be used to support the inherent “dangerousness” of any particular breed. More than 25 breeds have been involved in fatal human attacks over the 20-year period summarized in this report.

• Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs.

• Strategies that can be used in an effort to prevent dog bites include enforcement of generic, non-breed-specific dangerous dog laws, with an emphasis on chronically irresponsible owners; enforcement of animal control ordinances such as leash laws; prohibition of dog fighting; encouraging neutering; and school- based and adult education programs that teach pet selection strategies, pet care and responsibility, and bite prevention.

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Another concern is that a ban on a specific breed might cause people who want a dangerous dog to simply turn to another breed for the same qualities they sought in the original dog (eg, large size, aggression easily fostered). Breed-specific legislation does not address the fact that a dog of any breed can become dangerous when bred or trained to be aggressive. From a scientific point of view, we are unaware of any formal evaluation of the effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in preventing fatal or nonfatal dog bites.
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Another thing to consider is that we probably should stop regarding these animals as property that we can treat as we like. For example, the law will fully protect our right to beat these animals to foster aggression within them so that they can serve as a guard dog, which incredibly increases their chances of biting. Sadly, I don't think we're quite there yet.
 
Brother AJ said:
No, because you've given us absolutely no conclusive evidence that would allow us to believe that pit bulls "ALWAYS" have something to do with it.
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That makes as much sense as if you'd said, "You've given us absolutely no conclusive evidence that bees "ALWAYS" have something to do with bee stings."

Literally no sense at all.

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Brother AJ said:
For example, the law will fully protect our right to beat these animals to foster aggression within them so that they can serve as a guard dog........
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No, the law will not do that.

Your posts are full of bizarre information........which unfortunately for your argument, is not factual.

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Vox said:
That makes as much sense as if you'd said, "You've given us absolutely no conclusive evidence that bees "ALWAYS" have something to do with bee stings."

Literally no sense at all.

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Again, the amount of pit bull related incidents does not allow us to conclude that pit bulls are inherently more dangerous than any other breed regardless of the owner's behavior toward and treatment of the animal. You basically ignore all other factors, and it makes your argument look pitiful.
 
Vox said:
No, the law will not do that.

Your posts are full of bizarre information........which unfortunately for your argument, is not factual.

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The law does protect that right but, regardless if it's true, it has no bearing on the accuracy of the rest of my post, which you conveniently ignored.
 
Your link is itself nonsense.

Brother AJ said:
I've linked a study which will hopefully clear a lot of this nonsense up.
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Your "study" is propaganda from pit bull apologists and is based on this lie.

To obtain such risk information it would be necessary to know the numbers of each
breed currently residing in the United States. Such information is not available.
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That lie has been used for years by pit bull apologists.

They pretend that pit bulls cannot be conclusively identified as pit bulls, therefore no numbers are available.

Unfortunately for that fantastic statement.......the courts have ruled that a person of ordinary intelligence can identify a pit bull.

So your "study" is.......

1. Based on a lie.

2. Just propaganda.

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Brother AJ said:
The law does protect that right but, regardless if it's true, it has no bearing on the accuracy of the rest of my post, which you conveniently ignored.
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Show evidence that it is legal to beat pit bulls to make them vicious.

I have debunked the rest of your post as well.

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Brother AJ said:
Again, the amount of pit bull related incidents does not allow us to conclude that pit bulls are inherently more dangerous than any other breed regardless of the owner's behavior toward and treatment of the animal. You basically ignore all other factors, and it makes your argument look pitiful.
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And you HAVE no argument.

Which IS pitiful.

MANY thousands of fully documented pit bull maulings, killings and hospitalizations every year is an argument that you can't refute.

More than all other types of dogs put together.

Verified by police reports, hospital reports and news media reports.

Proven.

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Just listen to some of the many thousands of victims.

Look at their faces.

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Boerboel: Pit Bull on Steroids.

Another death.......a "BREEDER" of pit bulls has one turn on her.

We've got to be realistic about breeds, their abilities, their power and yes, their dangers. Just like you're more likely to drive 140 mph in a Ferrari, you or someone else is more likely to be a victim of a fatal mauling if you own a large, powerful dog bred over centuries for its ability to aggressively protect its owners.

Sorry, that's just being realistic.
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Boyle column: Sorry, but some dog breeds are dangerous

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Another Mauler Goes Down

The man retrieved a firearm and shot the pit bull. The pit bull died at the scene, Lt. Hank said.

The man was not injured, but his dog received minor injuries. Police will not charge him for the shooting, Lt. Hank said.

The owner of the pit bull was cited for the dog running loose, Lt. Hank said.

This attack comes just a day after a similar incident in Centennial Hills.

On Friday, a pit bull allegedly attacked a man and two dogs. Witnesses said a neighbor who jumped into action decided to shoot the dog before it could attack anyone else.
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However, it will take far too long to shoot them all........pit bulls must be banned.

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Another Pit Bull shot and killed following attack on dog - Story
 
That's not a cogent argument, Bob.......actually, it's not even an argument.

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