Let's Ban Pit Bulls

[blackjack50]

If you have an aggressive dog, keep him indoors then. Or get a poodle. My family shouldn't have to put up with your killer animal.

My family shouldn't have to put up with your paranoia when we take our dog for a walk. Maybe you should keep yourself and your family indoors if a barking dog is a threat? The world is a dangerous place. God forbid your kid have food and a little puppy runs up barking for food. You just my stomp it to death.


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[Slingshot Bob]

If you have an aggressive dog, keep him indoors then. Or get a poodle. My family shouldn't have to put up with your killer animal.

You can see my dog in my avatar, 15 pounds of terror, get that rocket launcher! I keep my animal secured on my property at all times, if you get bit, you walked past a no trespassing and a beware of dog sign.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

In my part of Texas, it's OK to shoot an aggressive dog.

Yeah right, if a dog barks aggressively from private property behind a fence, if someone shoots onto my property I was in fear of my life, I stand my ground. Try that in TX, I bet many people feel the same.

 

[blackjack50]

Just some information for any DUMBASSES who think that barking is a sign of aggression:

https://dogcontrol.ca/information/tips-for-dog-owners-2/why-do-dogs-bark/


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[Slingshot Bob]

My family shouldn't have to put up with your paranoia when we take our dog for a walk. Maybe you should keep yourself and your family indoors if a barking dog is a threat? The world is a dangerous place. God forbid your kid have food and a little puppy runs up barking for food. You just my stomp it to death.


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Or start randomly, negligently, discharging a firearm in a neighborhood, not at all a fan of gun control, but judging by his statements, he makes a strong case.

 

[blackjack50]

Or start randomly, negligently, discharging a firearm in a neighborhood, not at all a fan of gun control, but judging by his statements, he makes a strong case.

I'm not either. I'm a Florida concealed carrying republican. I'm very against gun control. Pro carry. But there are limits on what is justified. And as a carrier there are limits.

And the only time I thought I might pull my gun was on a dog in a neighborhood. It went after a lady that was jogging. My line of sight was obscured. Couldn't see the fence gate (was stopped by it). I didn't jump out and start blasting. I stopped my truck and jumped out and assessed the situation. I grew up in an animal hospital. I don't take pleasure on killing pets. I know how people are fond of them.

Someone shot my pets as a kid. 2 black labs that were in a pasture across the street from my house. The got out. They shot them and left them laying there. One in the head and the other in the knee. In the middle of a sod field. The closest house was 300 yards away. ****ing animal. And not my dog.

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[Snakebite]

You can see my dog in my avatar, 15 pounds of terror, get that rocket launcher! I keep my animal secured on my property at all times, if you get bit, you walked past a no trespassing and a beware of dog sign.

Nobody is shooting a 15 lbs dog.

People need to be mindful of what breed they choose to bring home, especially if they live in a neighborhood with children or other small dogs.

The world does not revolve around you. Legal or not, I will do what I need to do to protect my family, end of story. There are PLENTY of dog breeds that were bred to be pets, that are friendly and awesome. If you get a pitt bull, you're looking to threaten someone. Some people need to learn that lesson the hard way I reckon.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

I'm not either. I'm a Florida concealed carrying republican. I'm very against gun control. Pro carry. But there are limits on what is justified. And as a carrier there are limits.

And the only time I thought I might pull my gun was on a dog in a neighborhood. It went after a lady that was jogging. My line of sight was obscured. Couldn't see the fence gate (was stopped by it). I didn't jump out and start blasting. I stopped my truck and jumped out and assessed the situation. I grew up in an animal hospital. I don't take pleasure on killing pets. I know how people are fond of them.

Someone shot my pets as a kid. 2 black labs that were in a pasture across the street from my house. The got out. They shot them and left them laying there. One in the head and the other in the knee. In the middle of a sod field. The closest house was 300 yards away. ****ing animal. And not my dog.

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I don't carry mine, I ride a recumbent bicycle often, I carry a 9 ft bullwhip and a club, so far just shaking a club or popping the whip has been sufficient, someone needs to learn this guy about levels of escalation and threat assessment, he is dangerous to all around him.

I only carry when going to the woods to plink or gun for a hog, I go no where without a knife, though.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Nobody is shooting a 15 lbs dog.

People need to be mindful of what breed they choose to bring home, especially if they live in a neighborhood with children or other small dogs.

The world does not revolve around you. Legal or not, I will do what I need to do to protect my family, end of story. There are PLENTY of dog breeds that were bred to be pets, that are friendly and awesome. If you get a pitt bull, you're looking to threaten someone. Some people need to learn that lesson the hard way I reckon.

Does not matter the breed, if it is secured, it is not a threat.

 

[Snakebite]

I'm not either. I'm a Florida concealed carrying republican. I'm very against gun control. Pro carry. But there are limits on what is justified. And as a carrier there are limits.

And the only time I thought I might pull my gun was on a dog in a neighborhood. It went after a lady that was jogging. My line of sight was obscured. Couldn't see the fence gate (was stopped by it). I didn't jump out and start blasting. I stopped my truck and jumped out and assessed the situation. I grew up in an animal hospital. I don't take pleasure on killing pets. I know how people are fond of them.

Someone shot my pets as a kid. 2 black labs that were in a pasture across the street from my house. The got out. They shot them and left them laying there. One in the head and the other in the knee. In the middle of a sod field. The closest house was 300 yards away. ****ing animal. And not my dog.

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Labs are fine animals. I'm sorry to hear that someone would do that. It was probably a rancher and the dogs were scaring his cattle or something like that. Still very sad.

Labs are probably the best dog breed.

 

[Snakebite]

Does not matter the breed, if it is secured, it is not a threat.

Disagree with that. Breed is very important.

I have seen people try to adopt wolves before. Morons.

People don't understand that canines have a killer instinct and dogs have been bred for generations to be docile. Some breeds are more docile.

Just because they look cute doesn't mean they can't rip your face off. Too many owners don't understand that a dog's instinct is to be a carnivorous hunter.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Nobody is shooting a 15 lbs dog.

People need to be mindful of what breed they choose to bring home, especially if they live in a neighborhood with children or other small dogs.

The world does not revolve around you. Legal or not, I will do what I need to do to protect my family, end of story. There are PLENTY of dog breeds that were bred to be pets, that are friendly and awesome. If you get a pitt bull, you're looking to threaten someone. Some people need to learn that lesson the hard way I reckon.

Personally I don't think they are family pets, but a working dog with a purpose, but that is my opinion, as a bicycle rider, if I shot every dog that chased me, my ammo bill!

Even a small, lose dog presents a threat to me, I may crash avoiding it. I cant tell you how many dogs have chased me in life, never killed one, or even hit it!

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Disagree with that. Breed is very important.

I have seen people try to adopt wolves before. Morons.

People don't understand that canines have a killer instinct and it's the breeding and training that's kept that at bay. Just because they look cute doesn't mean they can't rip your face off.

A secured dog can only bite you if you allow it, assuming posted, private property.

 

[Mach]

I heard someone calling for help one day right after I had gotten married and went suburbia. I grabbed a bat and ran out the door, it was a neighbor. Two pitbulls were latched onto his dog. Some girl was arriving there to, and she told me not to hurt the dogs. I ignored her and asked the guy, whose property we were on, what he wanted to do. He said he'd prefer to just restrain the dogs. They were like robots, they completely ignored us, they were filled with bitemark holes from his dog. We had to pry their mouths off (flashlight and bat), and then pin the dogs, they just looked at his dog the entire time, eerie stuff. That took considerable time and effort even though they were fairly small sized and exhausted. AC finally showed up and took them.

I don't hate pitbulls, but I don't think they are a responsible breed to own, breed, etc. I think the argument of "so when does banning start/stop" is just slipper slope fallacy. Ultimately choices our ours to make as a society. It doesn't mean put them down, it just means phase them out naturally (no new owners, no new breeders, etc.) Everything is grey and has pros/cons, pit bulls are just too far in the "unnecessarily dangerous' category IMO. Given all the other breeds one can own, it's just not a public issue of freedom to need to own a specific breed IMO.

I do like seeing pro gun control liberals use the same arguments pro-gun folks use, and vice-versa, on this issue though. It's really surreal to see that in this thread.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

I heard someone calling for help one day right after I had gotten married and went suburbia. I grabbed a bat and ran out the door, it was a neighbor. Two pitbulls were latched onto his dog. Some girl was arriving there to, and she told me not to hurt the dogs. I ignored her and asked the guy, whose property we were on, what he wanted to do. He said he'd prefer to just restrain the dogs. They were like robots, they completely ignored us, they were filled with bitemark holes from his dog. We had to pry their mouths off (flashlight and bat), and then pin the dogs, they just looked at his dog the entire time, eerie stuff. That took considerable time and effort even though they were fairly small sized and exhausted. AC finally showed up and took them.

I don't hate pitbulls, but I don't think they are a responsible breed to own, breed, etc. I think the argument of "so when does banning start/stop" is just slipper slope fallacy. Ultimately choices our ours to make as a society. It doesn't mean put them down, it just means phase them out naturally (no new owners, no new breeders, etc.) Everything is grey and has pros/cons, pit bulls are just too far in the "unnecessarily dangerous' category IMO. Given all the other breeds one can own, it's just not a public issue of freedom to need to own a specific breed IMO.

I do like seeing pro gun control liberals use the same arguments pro-gun folks use, and vice-versa, on this issue though. It's really surreal to see that in this thread.

They are working dogs, if you must own one around kids, realize the risk is elevated, the choice and responsibility is yours.

 

[blackjack50]

Nobody is shooting a 15 lbs dog.

People need to be mindful of what breed they choose to bring home, especially if they live in a neighborhood with children or other small dogs.

The world does not revolve around you. Legal or not, I will do what I need to do to protect my family, end of story. There are PLENTY of dog breeds that were bred to be pets, that are friendly and awesome. If you get a pitt bull, you're looking to threaten someone. Some people need to learn that lesson the hard way I reckon.

That is a STUPID position based COMPLETELY out of ignorance. It is also this mentality that breeds the ignorance that there is such thing as a dog that WONT bite. I've seen labs bite. Golden retrievers are also biters (and known for it). If you have a large dog...their bite can be dangerous. Even deadly. Plenty of evidence.


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[blackjack50]

I heard someone calling for help one day right after I had gotten married and went suburbia. I grabbed a bat and ran out the door, it was a neighbor. Two pitbulls were latched onto his dog. Some girl was arriving there to, and she told me not to hurt the dogs. I ignored her and asked the guy, whose property we were on, what he wanted to do. He said he'd prefer to just restrain the dogs. They were like robots, they completely ignored us, they were filled with bitemark holes from his dog. We had to pry their mouths off (flashlight and bat), and then pin the dogs, they just looked at his dog the entire time, eerie stuff. That took considerable time and effort even though they were fairly small sized and exhausted. AC finally showed up and took them.

I don't hate pitbulls, but I don't think they are a responsible breed to own, breed, etc. I think the argument of "so when does banning start/stop" is just slipper slope fallacy. Ultimately choices our ours to make as a society. It doesn't mean put them down, it just means phase them out naturally (no new owners, no new breeders, etc.) Everything is grey and has pros/cons, pit bulls are just too far in the "unnecessarily dangerous' category IMO. Given all the other breeds one can own, it's just not a public issue of freedom to need to own a specific breed IMO.

I do like seeing pro gun control liberals use the same arguments pro-gun folks use, and vice-versa, on this issue though. It's really surreal to see that in this thread.

Do you recognize the roll played by the owner? I've seen plenty of GSDs, rotties, and many other dogs be problem dogs. Pits are no different. The OWNER makes the difference. My dog is WELL socialized. We are in the dog park all the time. From time to time things happen. The last incident was a toy aggressive lab jumped my dog to take her ball. He tried to latch on to her face and when I threw him off he came back. I kicked him in the hips, spun him around and grabbed his harness. My dog came away with a little blood. Nothing else. That was on the owner. The dog wasn't well trained.

The other problem here is that the idea that you can "phase out" something that ultimately, as demonstrated in this thread, based on arbitrary definitions. As demonstrated here...an English bulldog lab would qualify as a pit. Both dogs are known for their superb temperament (English bulldogs being listed as one of the nicest dogs). And there are plenty of examples of people having their pets ripped away just for looks. The thing is BSL doesn't really work. It is why most dog professional organizations support other options.


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[Snakebite]

Do you recognize the roll played by the owner? I've seen plenty of GSDs, rotties, and many other dogs be problem dogs. Pits are no different. The OWNER makes the difference. My dog is WELL socialized. We are in the dog park all the time. From time to time things happen. The last incident was a toy aggressive lab jumped my dog to take her ball. He tried to latch on to her face and when I threw him off he came back. I kicked him in the hips, spun him around and grabbed his harness. My dog came away with a little blood. Nothing else. That was on the owner. The dog wasn't well trained.

The other problem here is that the idea that you can "phase out" something that ultimately, as demonstrated in this thread, based on arbitrary definitions. As demonstrated here...an English bulldog lab would qualify as a pit. Both dogs are known for their superb temperament (English bulldogs being listed as one of the nicest dogs). And there are plenty of examples of people having their pets ripped away just for looks. The thing is BSL doesn't really work. It is why most dog professional organizations support other options.


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So you're just going to ignore all the stories on here of people who have been attacked by pitt bulls, or had their neighbors/pets attacked by pitt bulls?

 

[Snakebite]

I heard someone calling for help one day right after I had gotten married and went suburbia. I grabbed a bat and ran out the door, it was a neighbor. Two pitbulls were latched onto his dog. Some girl was arriving there to, and she told me not to hurt the dogs. I ignored her and asked the guy, whose property we were on, what he wanted to do. He said he'd prefer to just restrain the dogs. They were like robots, they completely ignored us, they were filled with bitemark holes from his dog. We had to pry their mouths off (flashlight and bat), and then pin the dogs, they just looked at his dog the entire time, eerie stuff. That took considerable time and effort even though they were fairly small sized and exhausted. AC finally showed up and took them.

I don't hate pitbulls, but I don't think they are a responsible breed to own, breed, etc. I think the argument of "so when does banning start/stop" is just slipper slope fallacy. Ultimately choices our ours to make as a society. It doesn't mean put them down, it just means phase them out naturally (no new owners, no new breeders, etc.) Everything is grey and has pros/cons, pit bulls are just too far in the "unnecessarily dangerous' category IMO. Given all the other breeds one can own, it's just not a public issue of freedom to need to own a specific breed IMO.

I do like seeing pro gun control liberals use the same arguments pro-gun folks use, and vice-versa, on this issue though. It's really surreal to see that in this thread.

You showed more restraint than I would have. Although to be honest, putting a pitt bull down with a baseball bat wouldn't be as easy as you'd think. Those things are like tanks and they can really take a beating.

I don't have patience for feral animals and their snowflake owners who can't control them. "Oh don't hurt my dogs" and then she can't control her "pets."

She should be criminally liable for public endangerment. Imagine if that were a child they were latching on to?

 

[Vox]

You showed more restraint than I would have. Although to be honest, putting a pitt bull down with a baseball bat wouldn't be as easy as you'd think. Those things are like tanks and they can really take a beating.

Imagine if that were a child they were latching on to?

Yeah.......if it had been two of the 80 pounders they would have just ignored the bat and that dog would have been dead........and people probably would have gone to the hospital.

If you walk your dog these days you'd better be prepared.......that guy wasn't and he was lucky you were around.

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[Vox]

"Shoot my dog and I'll shoot YOU!!!"

That's a dumb response.

All this talk of shooting (dogs and people shooting people for revenge) is disheartening.

If a dog has to be shot due to attacking a person or pet.......that's just the way it goes.

If a dog is scaring the kids next door by constantly barking at them.......that means you call the police and then your attorney if the guy won't listen to the police.

We are a society of laws.

I would be remiss if I didn't remind us that if pit bulls were banned we wouldn't be having this conversation........and it's coming slowly, but there is NO doubt they will be banned.

The victim numbers rise every day and victims of pit bull attacks get very, very active.

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[Brother AJ]

So you're just going to ignore all the stories on here of people who have been attacked by pitt bulls, or had their neighbors/pets attacked by pitt bulls?

Yea, I wouldn't consider anecdotes on a online debate forum to be all we need to support BSL.

 

[Vox]

Yea, I wouldn't consider anecdotes on a online debate forum to be all we need to support BSL.

Pit bull apologists are not ashamed to deny the truth and watch babies get maimed and killed........'cause it's ONLY anecdotes.

Anecdotes that need funerals and endless plastic surgery and suffer permanently and horribly scarred faces.

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[Vox]

There are thousands of "anecdotes" to deny.

Too many.

TEXAS
Police found the pit-and-run owner by tracing her license plate. Her pit bull-mix attacked an 11-year-old boy near a park in Bellaire. ... See More

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CALIFORNIA
More details on the two pit bull-mixes jumping two fences to attack a German shepherd in its yard in Orcutt. The dog's owner shot and k... See More

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OREGON
Update: Woman jumped in front of attacking pit bull to save children at a neighborhood bus stop.
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IDAHO
Owner cited after pit bull viciously attacks lawn care worker causing multiple puncture and tear wounds.
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PENNSYLVANIA
Neighbor's pit bull crawls under fence and severely attacks beagle. Note: Article doesn't mention breed, but the video shows the pol... See More

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NORTH CAROLINA
A woman standing in her yard holding her dog was attacked by neighbor's pit bull, while the pit was trying go get her dog. The neig... See More

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National Pit Bull Victim Awareness

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[Brother AJ]

Pit bull apologists are not ashamed to deny the truth and watch babies get maimed and killed........'cause it's ONLY anecdotes.

Anecdotes that need funerals and endless plastic surgery and suffer permanently and horribly scarred faces.

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No, anecdotes are not realiable enough evidence to conclude that pit bulls are inherently more dangerous than any other breed regardless of the owner's behavior toward and treatment of the animal.