Less about "Pride" and More about Sacrifice

I vehemently support LBGTQ+ rights. However, I also support the rights of those on the opposite side.

The LBGTQ+ movement has become a religion, almost cult-like. The Transgender supporters are indeed a cult, a woke cult.

We saw topless men or women, or whatever, on the White House lawn, which was completely disturbing.

These pride events are degenerate—naked grown adults in front of children. This is pedophilia.

This type of behavior shouldn't be encouraged, as a culture that accepts this behavior is leading our future into a quagmire.

The problem with the noun "pride" is that it's a very selfish or hedonistic expression. It's not about "ME," "ME," "ME." We need to teach people to be more humble and selfless.

The Pride events teach children the complete opposite message we should be teaching them. It is not about Thyself but about doing the right thing and being moral during difficult times.

This should start with the executive office. What the Biden administration did, hanging a rainbow-colored Pride flag flanked by two American flags was an abomination and a violation of the U.S. Flag Code. Worse yet, it disrespected ANYONE who served this country and targeted children. The Rainbow flag should NEVER be placed on the same footing as the American flag.

I have no questions anymore about this administration: This president is morally corrupt and unfit to lead this country.

 

[Bucky]

And what evidence can you provide that proves this is happening with the frequency necessary to involve federal authorities?

A kid's worldview and perspective are quite morphable and impressionable.

 

[Bucky]

I think it is also important to consider family connections:

Families' dynamics need to be in sync. One individual's selfish actions; or needs and wants shouldn't destroy the family unit as a whole.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

A kid's worldview and perspective are quite morphable and impressionable.

Read this slowly.....
What evidence can you provide that proves this is happening with the frequency necessary to involve federal authorities?

 

[Bucky]

This is false. There was a US flag on top of the White House, as there always is. Thus the US flag was still the highest flown. There was no violation.

 

[Bucky]

You can have both. But duty without self-respect is just being a tool and a martyr, from which follows the unjust advantage of one's superiors.

Proverbs 16:18 declares, “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.” “Better to live humbly with the poor than to share plunder with the proud.” The meaning of the passage is clear-cut: pride leads to humiliation. It is better to be humble and poor than proud and rich.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Oops, you accidentally cropped your image. Here don't worry here is a zoomed out image of the White House that shows the US flag being flown on top.

 

[Visbek]

I vehemently support LBGTQ+ rights.

And this statement is followed by a post where you attacked LGBT people. Do you think these are magic words that prove your bona fides?

However, I also support the rights of those on the opposite side.

You support the civil rights of bigots and homophobes, then? Tell us more.

The LBGTQ+ movement has become a religion, almost cult-like.

Projection, thy name is....

We saw topless men or women, or whatever, on the White House lawn, which was completely disturbing.

In a world awash in sexualized images of women, that is what you object to? Fascinating.

And how is referring to a transgender woman as "whatever" an example of vehement defense of civil rights?

These pride events are degenerate—naked grown adults in front of children. This is pedophilia.

The law is the law. Laws for indecent exposure are not suspended just because there's a parade.

What you may not know is that in many jurisdictions, it's legal for women to go topless. In Times Square, for example, topless women mixed in with people wearing superhero costumes, all of whom were basically panhandling and mugging for the cameras in exchange for compensation. As one might expect, this caused a moral panic. Oddly enough, people got used to it, and no children were molested or otherwise damaged beyond repair.

This type of behavior shouldn't be encouraged, as a culture that accepts this behavior is leading our future into a quagmire.

Oh, spare us this bullshit.

Conservatives (and quite a few liberals) have spent decades proclaiming that their Moral Panic Du Jour would be the Utter Destruction of America!!! and it keeps not happening. Video games, drugs, heavy metal music, hip hop, Internet chat rooms, pornography, I could be here all day listing fake crises.

And no, American isn't actually getting all that much worse. Your brain is tricking you. In many ways, it's much better than in the past -- including significantly better protections for the rights of LGBT individuals (and a dramatic drop in crime since the 90s). Y'know, the people who you claim to support, then proceed to berate based on inaccurate or made-up claims.

The problem with the noun "pride" is that it's a very selfish or hedonistic expression. It's not about "ME," "ME," "ME." We need to teach people to be more humble and selfless.

Hello? LGBT people have been the target of centuries of violence, oppression, discrimination, stigma and more. The reason they are proud is because they've survived all those horrors, and to show they're not afraid of the bigots.

We should also note that many of the demands for an oppressed group to be "civil" are actually made in bad faith. Activists like Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, Larry Kramer and more all knew that demands for "civility" were a trap, meant to tie the hands of activists.

I.e. I can't think of any reason why any sane LGBT person or ally would merit your demands that they all shut the **** up, just to... do what, exactly? Make you feel more comfortable?

It is not about Thyself but about doing the right thing and being moral during difficult times.

In a society inundated with constant justifications for favoring self-interest and the individual over the common good, THIS is what you object to? Fascinating.

This should start with the executive office.

Any excuse to bash the Democrats, I see.

What the Biden administration did, hanging a rainbow-colored Pride flag flanked by two American flags was an abomination and a violation of the U.S. Flag Code.

Egads. What an enormous pile of bullshit.

Pride Parades have been deliberately outrageous since the 1970s. That won't stop because the White House hangs a Pride flag in a different spot.

To me, you're displaying a rather typical attitude, which afflicts people of all political flavors: You believe in freedom, as long as people don't actually exercise that freedom in a way that does not meet your personal approval. I for one see no reason why anyone should accede to your demands.

 

[Manc Skipper]

"The problem with the noun "pride" is that it's a very selfish or hedonistic expression. It's not about "ME," "ME," "ME." We need to teach people to be more humble and selfless."

Bingo. Well said.

Bonkers. It's about not being ashamed of who you are, because you were born a certain way that the ignorati disapproves of.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

Proverbs 16:18 declares, “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.” “Better to live humbly with the poor than to share plunder with the proud.” The meaning of the passage is clear-cut: pride leads to humiliation. It is better to be humble and poor than proud and rich.

I don't abide by the teachings nor the tenets of your religious cult.
I don't mind it you wish to live your life by the tenets of a work of fiction, but I do take issue when you try and force those tenets on others.
You got that Bucky?

 

[Bucky]

Oh, spare us this bullshit.

Conservatives (and quite a few liberals) have spent decades proclaiming that their Moral Panic Du Jour would be the Utter Destruction of America!!! and it keeps not happening. Video games, drugs, heavy metal music, hip hop, Internet chat rooms, pornography, I could be here all day listing fake crises.

Biden called the male/female white house flasher "brave" and "courageous." The same people that were banned from the White House lawn on the same moral level as servicemen and women who served this country with valor?

It is a spit in the face that these degenerates met with Jill and Joe Biden to flash their nipples in public while real heroes never get the honor to go to the White House.

Exposing yourself in front of minors is a CRIME.

 

[Bucky]

I don't abide by the teachings nor the tenets of your religious cult.
I don't mind it you wish to live your life by the tenets of a work of fiction, but I do take issue when you try and force those tenets on others.
You got that Bucky?

You say you are tolerant but call my religion a "fairy tale" and mock Christians as looney tunes.

You got that, Crak ho? (not an insult, that's your actual username).

 

[Visbek]

I think it is also important to consider family connections:

Families' dynamics need to be in sync. One individual's selfish actions; or needs and wants shouldn't destroy the family unit as a whole.

So now you're just inventing objections out of whole cloth? Cool. Yes, you're definitely proving your commitment to LGBT civil rights.

Let's say that a 16 year old has felt a deep and persistent feeling that their biological features are incongruent with their sense of self. How is asking the family to respect that "selfish?"

If the parent refuses to accept this situation, and attempts to force the child to "be like everyone else," how is that not selfish on the parent's part? How is it any different than a homophobic parent refusing to accept that their child isn't straight?

Why don't you consider the mere possibility that it is unaccepting parents who are "destroying the family unit?"

Hint: Pretending that transgenderism is not real is not an example of respecting their civil rights.

 

[Bucky]

I don't abide by the teachings nor the tenets of your religious cult.
I don't mind it you wish to live your life by the tenets of a work of fiction, but I do take issue when you try and force those tenets on others.
You got that Bucky?

So the Pride event is about getting naked and shaking your naked body in front of children?

Shouldn't the Pride event have a different meaning and message?

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

You say you are tolerant but call my religion a "fairy tale" and mock Christians as looney tunes.

You got that, Crak ho? (not an insult, that's your actual username).

Have I tried to push the teachings of a book of mythology on you?
No..... No I have not.
So what makes you think that I'm going to just stand by and allow you to force your crap on me?
Just who do you think you are?
I do not believe in your book of mythology, and I do not want it's tenets forced on me.

Keep your garbage to yourself.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

So the Pride event is about getting naked and shaking your naked body in front of children?

Shouldn't the Pride event have a different meaning and message?

Nudity in public is illegal.
So, we already have laws against it.
Why are you whining about it here?

 

[anatta]

Incorrect. Sexuality is fluid.

sexual orientation is fluid

 

[Bucky]

So now you're just inventing objections out of whole cloth? Cool. Yes, you're definitely proving your commitment to LGBT civil rights.

Let's say that a 16 year old has felt a deep and persistent feeling that their biological features are incongruent with their sense of self. How is asking the family to respect that "selfish?"

If the parent refuses to accept this situation, and attempts to force the child to "be like everyone else," how is that not selfish on the parent's part? How is it any different than a homophobic parent refusing to accept that their child isn't straight?

Why don't you consider the mere possibility that it is unaccepting parents who are "destroying the family unit?"

Hint: Pretending that transgenderism is not real is not an example of respecting their civil rights.

I have deep sympathy for the transgender community. I have spoken to a woman who was raped several times, and I could imagine the pain and hurt. That woman most likely felt another human could no longer love her and didn't feel worthy of anyone's love or companionship anymore.

I would imagine a transgender person having the same feelings of despair, hurt, and anguish.

Transgenderism is indeed real however, we should not invent "special" rights or privileges for a certain group of people and marginalize other groups.

 

[Bucky]

sexual orientation is fluid

That's a massive slippery slope. Are you going to argue next that race is fluid as well?

 

[Visbek]

Biden called the male/female white house flasher "brave" and "courageous."

Yet more bullshit. Biden met her before she flashed (and no, she didn't flash a bunch of kids). The White House condemned her behavior, and she's now banned from the White House. Ms Montoya subsequently apologized.

You really need to get out of that right wing echo chamber.

Exposing yourself in front of minors is a CRIME.

And yet more bullshit. She didn't flash any kids, she didn't break any laws. Women are "topfree" in Washington DC (along with many other cities and states in the US).

I realize that extreme right-wingers are trying their hardest to use their transphobia as a wedge issue, but you really need to take it down a notch.

 

[NatMorton]

Trans people don't demand that you SEE them as their new gender. They

Really? Why the offense at "misgendering?"

 

[NatMorton]

You dodged the question of whether you sometimes feel pride.

Yes, sometimes I do. So what?

 

[anatta]

You can't make the gay no matter how often that's repeated. They either are or are not.

Late last month, a team of MIT and Harvard scientists published a landmark study of the genetic basis for sexual orientation in the journal Science. The study, which was based on an examination of the genetic material of almost half a million individuals, definitively refutes the idea that being gay is an innate condition that is controlled or largely compelled by one’s genetic makeup.


The study contained two key findings. First, it found that the effect of the genes we inherit from our parents (known as “heritability”) on same-sex orientation was very weak, at only .32 on a scale from 0 (none) to 1 (total) heritability. This means that a person’s developmental environment—which includes diet, family, friends, neighborhood, religion, and a host of other life conditions—is twice as influential on the probability of developing same-sex behavior or orientation as a person’s genes are.


Second, rebutting decades of widespread belief, the study established that “there is certainly no single genetic determinant (sometimes referred to as the ‘gay gene’ in the media)” that causes same-sex sexual behavior. On the contrary, “the variants involved are numerous and spread across the genome.” Each of these genetic variants increases a person’s propensity for same-sex behavior by an infinitesimally small amount. In scientific terms, same-sex orientation and behavior are highly polygenetic.


The logic of these two results—low heritability and high polygenicity—clearly demonstrate that the dominant cultural narrative about sexual orientation—which sees homosexual persons as a distinctly bounded biological class of people who were “born that way”—simply cannot be true.

“Born That Way” No More: The New Science of Sexual Orientation

A new study adds to a growing body of evidence demonstrating that the dominant narrative about sexual orientation—that it is genetically determined—simply cannot be true. Instead, the science shows that a person’s sexual orientation and choice of partners depends heavily on the development and expre

www.thepublicdiscourse.com

 

[anatta]

That's a massive slippery slope. Are you going to argue next that race is fluid as well?

race is immutable. sexual orientation is not. see my post 47

 

[NatMorton]

Bonkers. It's about not being ashamed of who you are, because you were born a certain way that the ignorati disapproves of.

I do not disapprove of trans people.

 

[Bucky]

Yet more bullshit. Biden met her before she flashed (and no, she didn't flash a bunch of kids). The White House condemned her behavior, and she's now banned from the White House. Ms Montoya subsequently apologized.

You really need to get out of that right wing echo chamber.


And yet more bullshit. She didn't flash any kids, she didn't break any laws. Women are "topfree" in Washington DC (along with many other cities and states in the US).

I realize that extreme right-wingers are trying their hardest to use their transphobia as a wedge issue, but you really need to take it down a notch.

You need to stop saying I have transphobia. You don't get it @Visbek it isn't about you. It is about us. Go ahead if you want to start a crusade against the "right" or transphobic. It's a battle you will lose. Stop with the division and start with creating a friendly dialogue where you can compromise and negotiate. Otherwise, you will have the same fate as the eco-terrorists and extreme groups on the left who are viewed as fringe.

I fully support the LGBTQ+ community. My objection is with the extremist LGBTQ+ member who engages in “obscene behavior.” We have seen gay men in BDSM outfits during “family-friendly” Pride parades, some of them “acting out” sexual scenes.

You have to ask why the White House invited him/her in the first place and why he wasn’t grabbed by security the moment he got naked.

The White House flasher's behavior screamed selfish behavior! "LOOK AT ME," "LOOK AT ME," "LOOK AT MY BREASTS!"

The reality is the White House flasher is a FRAUD and a man pretending to be a woman. Just like a human wearing a horse costume and saying they are an actual horse. How stupid do you think I am?

I took a glimpse at the flasher's Instagram account and saw a lot of members of the LGBTQ+ community AGREEING with me and saying his actions were counterproductive to the trans movement.