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Left Libertarianism

One would think 1600 posts later we would have some kind of coherent idea of what "left libertarian" is...


Yet we don't......
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
One would think 1600 posts later we would have some kind of coherent idea of what "left libertarian" is...


Yet we don't......
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If you could define and agree what 'left' and 'libertarian' actually mean then maybe a discussion could be had. What we have instead is a lot of vague assertions, strawmen and dogmatic **** size competitions. Dull, dull, dull but, appears to be the way you guys like it. Mostly the kind of bullcrap I expected and which kept me out of this thread for a while.
 
William Rea said:
If you could define and agree what 'left' and 'libertarian' actually mean then maybe a discussion could be had. What we have instead is a lot of vague assertions, strawmen and dogmatic **** size competitions. Dull, dull, dull but, appears to be the way you guys like it. Mostly the kind of bullcrap I expected and which kept me out of this thread for a while.
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I've defined what actual libertarianism is. numerous times. I cant speak for others other than to say it's been a chore for any direct answers,
 
Libertie76 said:
Who creates the rights? Who executes the protection of rights? The actual creation of inalienable rights needs a government to protect and enforce
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You didn't answer my question
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I'll get back to you when you start to understand the externality problem as well as the demand problem, and can actually deal With them seriously.
 
Henrin said:
You're really all over the place here. You first tell me that no one owns land, which is ok, fine, then you say that society determines the rights of people and finally you say that people have inalienable rights. Sorry, but none of those things have anything to do with each other. If society can determine rights than clearly that society doesn't respect inalienable rights and if they do respect inalienable rights than they must respect that property is the third pillar of human rights.

You also can not just say that people have a right to own things like wedding rings and t-shirts and then turn around and say people can not own the resources of the earth and resources must always be shared with the community. If you can not own the resources than you can not own what is produced from those resources because there is no beginning of ownership. The simple fact of the matter is that in order to own what is produced from resources the resources themselves have to be able to be owned. Otherwise, what is the difference between a diamond in the ground and one on your finger? Other than it is shaped and shined up, nothing.
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No I didn't say society determines the RIGHTS of People ... I say society determines what is and is not legitimate private property.

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RGacky3 said:
I'll get back to you when you start to understand the externality problem as well as the demand problem, and can actually deal With them seriously.
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How do you enforce and sustain inalienable rights with no central body.

Externalities are answered you just refuse to reply because you looked very dumb and because you can't properly explain it. Plus that's a different thread
 
RGacky3 said:
Is property also voluntary?
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This is a nonsensical collectivist ridiculousness. You can't explain this, or how this would work.

There are 100 beach front "collective home sites" who gets to live there? who chooses? who enforces said choice?

You don't need to "provide" them ... they are there already ...
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Really? The 100 people I have working for me would have magically put together my company without me? seriously?
 
Libertie76 said:
How do you enforce and sustain inalienable rights with no central body.

Externalities are answered you just refuse to reply because you looked very dumb and because you can't properly explain it. Plus that's a different thread
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they like to argue as if we are against all government.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
This is a nonsensical collectivist ridiculousness. You can't explain this, or how this would work.

There are 100 beach front "collective home sites" who gets to live there? who chooses? who enforces said choice?





Really? The 100 people I have working for me would have magically put together my company without me? seriously?
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Let me guess "society decides who deserves it duuuuhhh"
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
they like to argue as if we are against all government.
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They just like to rename definitions

He said in a different thread "the idea of externalities go over libertarians heads"

Then after like five posts we find out he had no idea what an externality is then he tries to bring it up as if I'm the one who is refusing to answer questions about it in this thread....
 
Libertie76 said:
They just like to rename definitions

He said in a different thread "the idea of externalities go over libertarians heads"

Then after like five posts we find out he had no idea what an externality is then he tries to bring it up as if I'm the one who is refusing to answer questions about it in this thread....
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It's just the same old left wing collectivism, trying to mask itself as libertarianism. it's not.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Circular logic at best.


"community".


I want the beach front collectivist built home. How do I get it? lol
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You can't because that home is societies

Who is society and how do they differ from a government

They differ because it's the community
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I've defined what actual libertarianism is. numerous times. I cant speak for others other than to say it's been a chore for any direct answers,
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This one?...

ReverendHellh0und said:
...a libertarian consistently advocates individual freedom and opposes the initiation of the use of coercion by anyone or any entity upon the person or property of anyone else for any reason...
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Libertie76 said:
The same argument can be said that the land owner adds to the economy by permitting the usage of land for production
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:lamo

So the landowners adds to the economy by ALLOWING use of the land? That has to be one of the silliest statements in this thread.
 
Geoist said:
:lamo

So the landowners adds to the economy by ALLOWING use of the land? That has to be one of the silliest statements in this thread.
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Are rental contacts included in GDP?

Let's say we remain stagnate and society says that that land is not usable but then you find out it's has a higher magnetic frequency and for your ideas to advance technology would require that specific area?

"Society lets them" how does society know the technology is the most efficient possible abd who decides who gets the funding and who doesn't to do these projects
 
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Henrin said:
How can you say the earth and it's resources are the property of no one and then turn around and say that once turned into a ring or something else that it becomes property? If no one can own the resources than exactly how can they own them when they are removed from the earth? It must be magic.
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Left libertarians believe we all have a right to access the land. So when someone privatizes land/resources then they are violating the rights of others. We also believe in a right to the fruits of individual labor. So only the creator of the ring has a right to it.
 
Geoist said:
Left libertarians believe we all have a right to access the land. So when someone privatizes land/resources then they are violating the rights of others. We also believe in a right to the fruits of individual labor. So only the creator of the ring has a right to it.
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Do you have a right to sleep in the same room as my wife and i*
 
Libertie76 said:
So someone could effectively own all the refrigerators in the world?
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How on Earth would that ever happen? Even if the person did acquire every refrigerator through voluntary means, people can always build more fridges. People cannot build more space.
 
Not how my very same questions which attempt to understand the basic premise of the left wingers here calling themselves "libertarian" are ignored day in and day out.
 
Geoist said:
How on Earth would that ever happen? Even if the person did acquire every refrigerator through voluntary means, people can always build more fridges. People cannot build more space.
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We're talking more advanced refrigeration systems, let's say for a hospital

Also in a socialized market you would be trading products not money so yes you could monopolize refrigeration
 
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