Lech Walesa Calls For “Liberation of Russia”, Reducing Its Population To Less Than Fifty Million People”

[Tigerace117]

“Former President of Poland Lech Walesa, called on the West to reduce Russia’s population to less than 50 million, in an interview with French media, as reported on Monday, July 11.
Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating:

“Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have the same thing, in 10 years there will be another Putin,” assessed Walesa, as reported by Do Rzeczy.

Russia’s population should not exceed 50 million, he said, adding that “60 nations have been annexed by Russia”.

The Russian Federation now has a population of 144 million.“

“ Russia should have been destroyed, but Gorbachev was too clever for that. We said to ourselves at the time: “There was Stalin, Brezhnev, but Gorbachev is nice”. So we left them alone,” he stated.”

“Reduce Russia’s population to less than 50M” says former President of Poland

Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating: “Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have…

euroweeklynews.com

Sad to see someone who was once a great statesman has gone completely insane. Apparently Walesa has forgotten nuclear weapons are a thing.....and is actively calling for the murder of tens of millions of people in the name of “destroying Russia”.

Not sure if this is the last gasp of someone desperate to stay relevant or whether anyone else is dumb enough to agree with his ravings, but it’s still disturbing to see someone so causally call for the murder of roughly two thirds of Russia’s population.

 

[Phys251]

“Former President of Poland Lech Walesa, called on the West to reduce Russia’s population to less than 50 million, in an interview with French media, as reported on Monday, July 11.
Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating:

“Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have the same thing, in 10 years there will be another Putin,” assessed Walesa, as reported by Do Rzeczy.

Russia’s population should not exceed 50 million, he said, adding that “60 nations have been annexed by Russia”.

The Russian Federation now has a population of 144 million.“

“ Russia should have been destroyed, but Gorbachev was too clever for that. We said to ourselves at the time: “There was Stalin, Brezhnev, but Gorbachev is nice”. So we left them alone,” he stated.”

“Reduce Russia’s population to less than 50M” says former President of Poland

Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating: “Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have…

euroweeklynews.com

Sad to see someone who was once a great statesman has gone completely insane. Apparently Walesa has forgotten nuclear weapons are a thing.....and is actively calling for the murder of tens of millions of people in the name of “destroying Russia”.

Not sure if this is the last gasp of someone desperate to stay relevant or whether anyone else is dumb enough to agree with his ravings, but it’s still disturbing to see someone so causally call for the murder of roughly two thirds of Russia’s population.

While two rights don't make a wrong, what chance in hell is there of this actually happening?

 

[RobertU]

I think Walesa meant that parts of the Russian Federation should be detached, leaving a rump Russian state. It would be like making the U.S.A. a less populous country by creating California and Texas as separate nations.

 

[Carjosse]

I think Walesa meant that parts of the Russian Federation should be detached, leaving a rump Russian state. It would be like making the U.S.A. a less populous country by creating California and Texas as separate nations.

I found the original article it is talking about breaking up Russia, back into the nations that is previously conquered.

 

[Carjosse]

“Former President of Poland Lech Walesa, called on the West to reduce Russia’s population to less than 50 million, in an interview with French media, as reported on Monday, July 11.
Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating:

“Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have the same thing, in 10 years there will be another Putin,” assessed Walesa, as reported by Do Rzeczy.

Russia’s population should not exceed 50 million, he said, adding that “60 nations have been annexed by Russia”.

The Russian Federation now has a population of 144 million.“

“ Russia should have been destroyed, but Gorbachev was too clever for that. We said to ourselves at the time: “There was Stalin, Brezhnev, but Gorbachev is nice”. So we left them alone,” he stated.”

“Reduce Russia’s population to less than 50M” says former President of Poland

Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating: “Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have…

euroweeklynews.com

Sad to see someone who was once a great statesman has gone completely insane. Apparently Walesa has forgotten nuclear weapons are a thing.....and is actively calling for the murder of tens of millions of people in the name of “destroying Russia”.

Not sure if this is the last gasp of someone desperate to stay relevant or whether anyone else is dumb enough to agree with his ravings, but it’s still disturbing to see someone so causally call for the murder of roughly two thirds of Russia’s population.

Maybe you could read what he actually said instead of just what your pro-Russian media bubble says. He wants to break up Russia, free many of its constituent peoples it opresses back into nations.

 

[Tigerace117]

I think Walesa meant that parts of the Russian Federation should be detached, leaving a rump Russian state. It would be like making the U.S.A. a less populous country by creating California and Texas as separate nations.

Doing so would still require a global thermonuclear war which would kill tens of millions worldwide.

 

[Tigerace117]

Maybe you could read what he actually said instead of just what your pro-Russian media bubble says. He wants to break up Russia, free many of its constituent peoples it opresses back into nations.

Gee bud, babbling on about “destroying Russia” isn’t exactly subtle.

That argument is the equivalent of Russia demanding that Canada “liberate” the oppressed people of Quebec, Alberta, and British Colombia effective immediately.

Or gee, repartitioning Poland between Austria, Germany and Russia.

His little plan is flat out insane and would result in the deaths of tens of millions upon tens millions of people worldwide.

 

[Tigerace117]

While two rights don't make a wrong, what chance in hell is there of this actually happening?

Literally none. It rivals the Morgenthau Plan in terms of sheer stupidity.....which makes the fact that he’s openly advocating for it absurd.

 

[Hamish Howl]

This isn't at all batshit insane.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I honestly didn't know he was still alive.

 

[Juin]

I think Walesa meant that parts of the Russian Federation should be detached, leaving a rump Russian state. It would be like making the U.S.A. a less populous country by creating California and Texas as separate nations.

Interesting! Seems to me like the good Lech Waleska is also making the case for detaching the Donbass from Ukraine

 

[Juin]

I honestly didn't know he was still alive.

That was my reaction as well. It is really a long time when he started his activism at the Gdansk Lenin shipyards

 

[Carjosse]

Gee bud, babbling on about “destroying Russia” isn’t exactly subtle.

That argument is the equivalent of Russia demanding that Canada “liberate” the oppressed people of Quebec, Alberta, and British Colombia effective immediately.

Or gee, repartitioning Poland between Austria, Germany and Russia.

His little plan is flat out insane and would result in the deaths of tens of millions upon tens millions of people worldwide.

I would say more like partitioning Germany after both World Wars. Taking an aggressive power and carving it up. And Russia does oppress its many minority groups, often violently. Has for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Do I agree with the idea, no. And the fact it doesn't seem to be much reported on tells me it is not taken seriously either.

 

[Tigerace117]

I would say more like partitioning Germany after both World Wars. Taking an aggressive power and carving it up. And Russia does oppress its many minority groups, often violently. Has for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Do I agree with the idea, no. And the fact it doesn't seem to be much reported on tells me it is not taken seriously either.

Germany didn’t get partitioned after World War One; it kept the vast majority of its territory.

By that “logic” the US should be partitioned because it’s done the exact same thing for literally it’s entire history.

Furthermore, the existence of nuclear weapons means that such a plan would lead to tens of millions upon tens of millions of innocent people being killed.

 

[Carjosse]

Germany didn’t get partitioned after World War One; it kept the vast majority of its territory.

By that “logic” the US should be partitioned because it’s done the exact same thing for literally it’s entire history.

Furthermore, the existence of nuclear weapons means that such a plan would lead to tens of millions upon tens of millions of innocent people being killed.

Like I said I don't agree with it, and no one is taking it seriously either.

 

[Tigerace117]

Like I said I don't agree with it, and no one is taking it seriously either.

It’s still a flat out insane argument, and your claims about the imaginary “pro Russia bubble” for condemning said insanity was rather ignorant.

 

[Carjosse]

It’s still a flat out insane argument, and your claims about the imaginary “pro Russia bubble” for condemning said insanity was rather ignorant.

Your pro-Russian media bubble is painting it as some kind of Russian genocide plan by the West.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your pro-Russian media bubble is painting it as some kind of Russian genocide plan by the West.

Planning to wipe out about two thirds of the country’s population comes pretty ****ing close to that bud.

 

[Evilroddy]

“Former President of Poland Lech Walesa, called on the West to reduce Russia’s population to less than 50 million, in an interview with French media, as reported on Monday, July 11.
Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating:

“Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have the same thing, in 10 years there will be another Putin,” assessed Walesa, as reported by Do Rzeczy.

Russia’s population should not exceed 50 million, he said, adding that “60 nations have been annexed by Russia”.

The Russian Federation now has a population of 144 million.“

“ Russia should have been destroyed, but Gorbachev was too clever for that. We said to ourselves at the time: “There was Stalin, Brezhnev, but Gorbachev is nice”. So we left them alone,” he stated.”

“Reduce Russia’s population to less than 50M” says former President of Poland

Poland’s former President spoke on reducing Russia’s population claiming that the West should help Ukraine by “liberating Russia”, stating: “Even if Ukraine wins this war, in five years we will have…

euroweeklynews.com

Sad to see someone who was once a great statesman has gone completely insane. Apparently Walesa has forgotten nuclear weapons are a thing.....and is actively calling for the murder of tens of millions of people in the name of “destroying Russia”.

Not sure if this is the last gasp of someone desperate to stay relevant or whether anyone else is dumb enough to agree with his ravings, but it’s still disturbing to see someone so causally call for the murder of roughly two thirds of Russia’s population.

Tigerace117:

I think Walesa was talking about breaking up the Russian Federation into many smaller states if and when the West's attempts at "encouraging" regime change to remove Putin and follow-on, would-be Putins from governance succeeds. It may be impractical, wishful thinking but unless I am very wrong, I don't think Walesa is thinking about liquidating 94 million people, just letting them leave the Federation to form new sovereign states. The nuclear weapons challenge will be an insurmountable one however, as you correctly point out.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Carjosse]

Planning to wipe out about two thirds of the country’s population comes pretty ****ing close to that bud.

Partition is not genocide. Only in your little delusional tankie universe it is while you choose to ignore the actual genocide Russia is carrying against Ukrainians.

 

[Tigerace117]

Tigerace117:

I think Walesa was talking about breaking up the Russian Federation into many smaller states if and when the West's attempts at "encouraging" regime change to remove Putin and follow-on, would-be Putins from governance. It may be impractical, wishful thinking but unless I am very wrong, I don't think Walesa is thinking about liquidating 94 million people, just letting them leave the Federation to form new sovereign states. The nuclear weapons challenge will be an insurmountable one however, as you correctly point out.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Talking about how Russia “should have been destroyed” rather sounds otherwise though.

Furthermore, as the Morgenthau Plan thankfully never got a chance to show, even partition could and does led to the deaths of vast numbers of innocent people.

 

[Tigerace117]

Partition is not genocide. Only in your little delusional tankie universe it is while you choose to ignore the actual genocide Russia is carrying against Ukrainians.

Crying about “tankies” because I pointed out how insane Walesa’s scheme is is pathetic. Nobody forced him to spew such vile garbage.....he CHOSE to do so. You keep crying about how you “don’t support the scheme”.....and then turning around and trying to defend it.

Oh, and if what Russia is doing is “genocide”, then what Saudi Arabia has done in Yemen would also qualify.....and that atrocity has been done with active American and Western help from start to finish, with Biden even now heading to Riyadh to roll over for the Saudis yet again.

So your sputtering is meaningless on every level.

 

[Carjosse]

Crying about “tankies” because I pointed out how insane Walesa’s scheme is is pathetic. Nobody forced him to spew such vile garbage.....he CHOSE to do so. You keep crying about how you “don’t support the scheme”.....and then turning around and trying to defend it.

Oh, and if what Russia is doing is “genocide”, then what Saudi Arabia has done in Yemen would also qualify.....and that atrocity has been done with active American and Western help from start to finish, with Biden even now heading to Riyadh to roll over for the Saudis yet again.

So your sputtering is meaningless on every level.

You are a tankie, you have defended Russia and their invasion at every ****ing opportunity. My problem is that you and your article are painting like it is some kind of Western conspiracy to genocide Russians. Rather than an unrealistic and insane plan by one guy to contain Russia's agression.

You are the literal definition of whataboutism.

 

[noonereal]

Maybe you could read what he actually said instead of just what your pro-Russian media bubble says. He wants to break up Russia, free many of its constituent peoples it opresses back into nations.

Tell me how we accomplish this.

Thanks

 

[Carjosse]

Tell me how we accomplish this.

Thanks

I never said it wasn't impossible and insane.