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Lebanese flotilla organizers found to have Hezbollah ties
Though businessman, journalist deny terror group behind sail, both discovered to support Nasrallah
Roee Nahmias
Published: 06.16.10, 20:34 / Israel News
A Palestinian businessman who revealed himself recently as the organizer of another aid flotilla to Gaza has been found to have ties to Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah.
Yasser Kashlak, who is reportedly behind the flotilla set to leave from Beirut in the coming days, has announced that he has "no ties with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran". But on August 14, 2009 he published a letter expressing support for Nasrallah.
"We and they know, sir, that you have vowed not to leave us alone and kept this promise. You dedicated your life, and still do, to the protection of our business which is also yours," Kashlak wrote in a letter to Nasrallah carried by the Lebanese Al-Akhbar.
"In the name of the Palestinian people… we stress that we are taking the path of resistance. Their campaigns will do no good, and history and geography will not lie. We ask Allah to extend your life and the lives of all who support Palestine and the noble resistance."
Kashlak, 39, heads the Palestinian Businessmen Association as well as the Lebanese institute of international research. He is also considered close to the Syrian government.
Kashlak also writes columns for a number of Lebanese papers and even publishes a little-known daily. In Lebanon, he is known as an up and coming leader of the Palestinian refugees, and has consistently opposed the peace process.
But Kashlak is not alone in organizing the Lebanese flotilla. Samar al-Hajj, a former Lebanese journalist, is in charge of the ship Miriam.
She is also the wife of a high-ranking officer in the Lebanese security forces who served a four-year prison term for his involvement in the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri, and was released one year ago. Three weeks ago, in honor of the anniversary of his release, the couple met with Nasrallah and thanked him for supporting the officer.
Lebanese flotilla organizers found to have Hezbollah ties - Israel News, Ynetnews
A Palestinian is a fan of Hassan Nasrallah!? Holy crap, he's a terrorist-supporter!
Fixed.
And considering that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization according to reality, your words are irrelevant.If Hezbollah were a terrorist organization and Nasrallah a terrorist it would be, but considering neither is true then no.
No, but having ties to Hezbollah does mean that it has ties to Hezbollah.Of course, being a fan of Nasrallah does not mean the Lebanese aid ship is being sent by Hezbollah or is tied to Hezbollah.
No, but having ties to Hezbollah does mean that it has ties to Hezbollah.
Or you're willing to argue about that too?
If someone is in Lebanon and has ties to Syria, that pretty much makes them a member of Hez right there.
If Hezbollah were a terrorist organization and Nasrallah a terrorist it would be, but considering neither is true then no.
Both are very true, as hezbollah has conducted numerous suicide bombings as well as fired indiscriminate rocket fire into israeli towns and villages.
It has also turned its weapons on fellow lebanese a few years back to further consolidate its power, while it creates just like the PLO did in the 70s/80s, a mini-separate state inside lebanon.
That's absurd.
I know, I was making a point that deflecting contacts to Syria doesn't necessarily help to exonerate someone of ties to Hez.
It's not like "Oh, ok, they have ties to Syria then they must be innocent".
In fact, I think there is an inflection in the other direction; that being, ties to Syria are not a good thing for anyone let alone Lebanese.
Demon of Light makes a good point. Hizb'allah shows restraint in attacking civilians, unless (perchance) they happen to be Israeli citizens and/or protected by the state of Israel.
So they're still terrorists...
They've murdered as many Israeli civilians as they were capable of murdering during the 2006 Lebanon war.Actually, despite saying Israeli citizens are legitimate targets as occupiers they do show restraint regarding any attacks on civilians Israeli or not. If they didn't I assure you far more Israeli civilians would be dead.
I know, I was making a point that deflecting contacts to Syria doesn't necessarily help to exonerate someone of ties to Hez.
It's not like "Oh, ok, they have ties to Syria then they must be innocent".
In fact, I think there is an inflection in the other direction; that being, ties to Syria are not a good thing for anyone let alone Lebanese.
Actually, despite saying Israeli citizens are legitimate targets as occupiers they do show restraint regarding any attacks on civilians Israeli or not. If they didn't I assure you far more Israeli civilians would be dead.
If Hezbollah were a terrorist organization and Nasrallah a terrorist it would be, but considering neither is true then no. Of course, being a fan of Nasrallah does not mean the Lebanese aid ship is being sent by Hezbollah or is tied to Hezbollah.
Hezbollah Manifesto:
We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.
Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.
We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.
The latter is not terrorism, but war crimes,.
They've murdered as many Israeli civilians as they were capable of murdering during the 2006 Lebanon war.
One Israeli-Arab MK has escaped to Lebanon after it was discovered that during that war he was providing the terrorists with coordinates of tense civilian populations. He's now a major Hizb'Allah supporter.
They show "restraint"? Thousands of rockets fired into most of northern israel is "restraint"? I cannot imagine how you'd describe them unloading Scud Cs and Ds into downtown Tel Aviv.
Hezbollah is as much a terrorist org as al qaeda - and interestingly, is being imported into iran to assist the homegrown basij to put down democracy demonstrators.
Ya Hezbollah whose manifesto explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel and rejects any peaceful settlement out of hand is not a terrorist organization:
Hezbollah which intentionally targets civilians, doesn't wear uniforms, conducts attacks from densly populated civilian sectors etc etc is not a terrorist organization. :roll: Just what in your book qualifies as a terrorist organization?
Um no because Hezbollah is not a state actor, they are subnational, they are not a legitimate military force, they do not wear uniforms or abide by any of the laws and customs of war.
Yeah.Hezbollah has killed hundreds of Israeli soldiers since they formed and you think they were only capable of killing a few dozen Israeli civilians?
Just given an example about how far they've went to satisfy their thirst for Israeli civilians' blood.I read up on that and I'm not sure what you're saying or what this has to do with anything.
That's bull**** and you haven't even based that statement. Your attempts to justify their actions is meaningless since it is only backed by your own useless opinion.Though their rockets are not especially accurate they are accurate enough that if Hezbollah's intention was to maximize civilian casualties there would have been hundreds of dead Israeli civilians.
There is no difference, both are essentially part of the same notion.Hezbollah is far from a terrorist organization and they can not even remotely be compared to al-Qaeda.
Yeah.
The civilians unlike the soldiers were not in Lebanon, the civilians were out of their reach, in a nation with secured borders.
They've thrown thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian population centers, trying to murder as many Israeli civilians as the animals could, and so they did.
That is to ignore their other forms of terrorism, such as the sending of Samir Kuntar with his squad of terrorists to an Israeli shore, where they've murdered a cop, a father, and that father's 4 years old daughter.
Just given an example about how far they've went to satisfy their thirst for Israeli civilians' blood.
That's bull**** and you haven't even based that statement. Your attempts to justify their actions is meaningless since it is only backed by your own useless opinion.
There is no difference, both are essentially part of the same notion.
Declare a state hostile and then do your best to murder its civilians.
The only difference is that one of the two organizations is more thirsty towards Jewish blood.
I am telling you right now if they were really looking to kill as many civilian as they could there would have been far more dead Israeli civilians. You noted they supposedly worked with an Israel-Arab MK so it would be safe to say they have quite a few contacts with the general Israeli-Arab population and likely have contacts with Palestinians that all could allow Hezbollah to attack Israeli civilians. Yet despite this and being capable of nearly sinking an Israeli naval vessel they apparently are rather terrible at targeting civilians. Honestly, it would not have been terribly difficult to kill lots of civilians if they wanted to do so. I think the results more accurately represent Hezbollah's intent, that is the general shutdown of activity in Northern Israel.
That was in 1979. Hezbollah didn't even exist yet!
Where do you get that from? I looked at reports from Israeli news and they don't mention anything that would link this to your claim of Hezbollah explicitly looking to kill civilians.
I am not attempting to justify anything.
Like I said if Hezbollah were really doing its best to kill civilians there would be hundreds of dead Israeli civilians. Remember this is the group that killed over 200 U.S. soldiers back in the 80's in a single bombing. If they were looking to kill as many civilians as they could you can be guaranteed there would be hundreds of dead Israeli civilians.
Hezbollah probables realizes that if they were to kill very many civilians the Israeli army and air force would be less constrained from doing the same in Lebanon. If they were ever to cause heavy civilian deaths then what would rain down on Lebanon would be terrible.
They probably remember what Black September means and do not want to be thrown out of their safe haven like the PLO was thrown out of Jordon.
Hezbollah probables realizes that if they were to kill very many civilians the Israeli army and air force would be less constrained from doing the same in Lebanon. If they were ever to cause heavy civilian deaths then what would rain down on Lebanon would be terrible.
The Israeli intel has also successfully stopped multiple attempts in foreign nations by hez to attack their embassies and facilities in the wake of Muginyeh's death. It is not just the successful attacks we need to be mindful of, there are probably 10 failed ones for each successful attack.
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