AgentM
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After hitting southern Afghanistan with tens of thousands of additional soldiers in an effort to weaken a resurgent Taliban, the NATO-led military alliance is considering a plan to end the war by entering power-sharing negotiations with Taliban leaders and former fighters.
The scenario of a negotiated peace and a joint government involving the Taliban, once considered unlikely and controversial, is gaining momentum ahead of a critical summit on Afghanistan in London on Thursday.
Within a 24-hour period, senior figures in the Afghan government and the United Nations – and perhaps most startlingly, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan – all endorsed seeking some form of peace settlement with the Taliban, which has battled Western forces to a standstill in the war-torn southern provinces.
“As a soldier, my personal feeling is that there's been enough fighting,” U.S. General Stanley McChrystal, the senior NATO commander in the 42-nation Afghan mission, said in an interview with the Financial Times. “I believe that a political solution to all conflicts is the inevitable outcome. And it's the right outcome.”
By saying that Taliban leaders could be included in a future Afghan government and suggesting that Afghans should “extend olive branches” to the insurgents, Gen. McChrystal has gone further than any previous U.S. commander.
Canada's position on talks with the Taliban has gradually evolved over the past four years, from complete rejection to the point where the Harper government now considers some kind of reconciliation necessary to lasting peace.
At a meeting in Istanbul yesterday ahead of the London conference, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told reporters that he wants to begin negotiations with the more moderate of the several groups usually classified as “Taliban.”
“I will be making a statement at the conference in London to the effect of removing Taliban names from the United Nations sanctions list,” Mr. Karzai said.
Kai Eide, the UN Special Representative for Afghanistan, told The New York Times hours earlier that he wants to begin bringing the Taliban into talks on governing the country. “If you want relevant results, then you have to talk to the relevant person in authority,” he said. “I think the time has come to do it.”
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who is organizing the 60-nation summit, said yesterday that he agrees with this approach, saying it is “right to believe that over the long term we can split the Taliban.”
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Talks with Taliban gain traction in plan for Afghan peace - The Globe and Mail
I'm sorry but there is a time to talk and there is a time to kill the enemy and when you are dealing with a ruthless Radical Cult it's time to kill enough of them a to render them harmless, and the only way to do that is by over whelming force that is o powerful they dare not lift a finger in opposition, and if they do kill them. Don't talk don't hesitate don't take prisoners. War is an ugly business and only the side willing to use what ever means is available will emerge victorious. Sounds awful but a few take no prisoner wars where nothing but victory mattered and there would suddenly be a lot less conflicts in the world. Even the dumb ass Chinese and Russian would calm down if they knew they would face total and complete obliteration.
"the NATO-led military alliance is considering a plan to end the war by entering power-sharing negotiations with Taliban leaders and former fighters."
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I'm envisioning a scenario like when the Police send out "You Won a New Car" fliers to thugs with outstanding warrants on them....
It's not that we haven't been fighting the Taliban, but they've been winning of late, we're losing ground to them. Let's be real here, you're discussing conventional warfare tactics. This is not a conventional war! We've tried fighting them, hasn't worked.
Sooooo....before the long-delayed, Obama-impeded surge the military requested has a chance to succeed or even be implemented, the quitters are surrendering.
Can the American military be in Afghanistan forever? I can assure you that the Taliban will be around long after everyone leaves.
If we can't, we should poison the land with Co-60 before we depart.
People need to be shown what happens when they mess with the best.
Don't say war doesn't solve problems, Carthage vanished completely, I wonder why.
Can the American military be in Afghanistan forever? I can assure you that the Taliban will be around long after everyone leaves.
Yes, because all Afghans were responsible for Al-Qaida and the Taliban. Real humanitarian of ya. :roll:
Of course.
We always, in every war we've ever fought, only fought the two old men in command of the army, we never ever not once, not ever, recognized that the general population of the enemy nation is a valid target for war. Why, the nerve of us. You'd almost think we were viscious enough to drop nuclear weapons on populated cities, even. But we've never done that, oh, no!
It's ****ing war, child. Get your romantic images of heroic bull**** out of your head and get your head out of your ass. Our goal isn't to make life wonderful for people living in Afghanistan, our goal is to stop people in Afghanistan from attacking our nation. If we can't achieve that goal by normal military means, we need to impose other methods to ensure that goal is met.
Dickering with the people who've masterminded the earlier murders and acts of war is not a solution to the problem of stopping people in Afghanistan from committing acts of war against the United States.
Making Afghanistan unhabitable is one way of making sure there's no people in Afghanistan, and hence no people in Afghanistan will be attacking the US in the future.
The other nations will get the hint, damn quick.
And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world. Geez, I'm glad you guys will never be President. :roll:
I do wonder at times. If we try to help, we get people hating us for what we are doing. If we don't help, people hate us for doing nothing.
What is your solution to the Taliban problem?
And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world.
That process is going to take something close to a decade. Even longer if the Messiah, who still hasn't defined what "victory" is in Afghanistan, doesn't expend any effort working for that which he's too incompetent to understand.
Right, because pouring more troops into Afghanistan isn't any effort.
Whatever.
Meanwhile, since the Messiah can't define "victory" in Afghanistan, the effort the troops make are effectively unguided.
"Kill Taliban" is a good start, but there has to be more, so that the Taliban ceases to become a group of political import in the region.
I don't see the Messiah working on that too hard. He didn't even want to send the number of troops requested. Because He's the Messiah, with absolutely no military experience, and He knows more about what to do than the generals in charge.
What our liberal forgiving left wing friends forget is we are the infidels, they want us to convert or die........They are starting to get their sorry asses kicked.....Of course they want a truce to regroup..
I say kill them all.........No trials, military commissions will do the trick.....
Don't forget 9/11/01 my left wing apologists!!!!!!!!!!!
What our liberal forgiving left wing friends forget is we are the infidels, they want us to convert or die........They are starting to get their sorry asses kicked.....Of course they want a truce to regroup..
I say kill them all
Yes, remember that 9 years ago there was an attack which took out as many people as 10% of our yearly traffic fatalities. And remember that to excuse forever war against ideologies instead of looking at any potential cause or work towards attacking the root causes. Remember! Because if you don't, the fear tactics may stop working and then what would the government use to excuse massive expansion, interventionist, state building, big brother policies?
Oh please won't you think of government power!
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