Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’

[ALiberalModerate]

Laura Bush is a former first lady of the United States. On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders. I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart. Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

 

[dcsports]

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

The entire thing is hearbreaking. It's a terrible situation. One which the parents put their families in.

But help me to understand the alternative being proposed. The parents are being charged with federal crimes, which no one is disputing they committed. Is the suggestion that the children be placed in an adult jail? That special jails be built with family accommodations? Or that the adults with a dependent (they aren't all parents) be released... and we only charge unaccompanied adults with crimes?

And are we proposing this same treatment for US citizens charged with crimes -- who are often separated from their children in heartbreaking situations.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The entire thing is hearbreaking. It's a terrible situation. One which the parents put their families in.

But help me to understand the alternative being proposed. The parents are being charged with federal crimes, which no one is disputing they committed. Is the suggestion that the children be placed in an adult jail? That special jails be built with family accommodations? Or that the adults with a dependent (they aren't all parents) be released... and we only charge unaccompanied adults with crimes?

And are we proposing this same treatment for US citizens charged with crimes -- who are often separated from their children in heartbreaking situations.

With previous administrations, parents with kids that crossed the border illegally were placed in family detention centers with their kids.

Moreover, this doesn't just apply to those that illegally cross, they are also taking the kids from parents that come here seeking asylum.

This is a Trump administration policy that the Trump Administration put into place in April. No one is the blame for this policy other than the Trump administration. They own it.

 

[jamesrage]

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

The Bushes are illegal alien ass kissers. So Mrs. Bush whining about criminals being separated from their kids means nothing.

The kids being separated from their parents is the fault of the parents who brought them here illegally either by straight up illegal entry or illegal entry by fraudulently claiming asylum.

Millions of Americans are separated from their families when they commit crimes and are sent to prison or jail. You are not suggesting that people with kids get a get out jail free pass are you?

 

[Captain Adverse]

With previous administrations, parents with kids that crossed the border illegally were placed in family detention centers with their kids.

Moreover, this doesn't just apply to those that illegally cross, they are also taking the kids from parents that come here seeking asylum.

This is a Trump administration policy that the Trump Administration put into place in April. No one is the blame for this policy other than the Trump administration. They own it.

That would be "in previous Administrations PRIOR to the Flores Consent Decree of 1997 modified in 2016," via the Ninth Circuit Court to apply to ALL immigrant children.

The Flores Consent Decree from 1997 says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so.

Original 1997 decision: https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/immigrants/flores_v_meese_agreement.pdf

Ninth Circuit decision 2016: https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/immigrants/flores_v_meese_agreement.pdf

The Flores Consent Decree from 1997 says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A 2016 ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so.

This is not a problem when it comes to simple illegal entry prosecutions, since they are resolved fairly quickly, usually within 24 - 48 hours of the family being taken into custody. Both parents and children are reunited and returned to the other side of the border.

It becomes a problem when these families are claiming asylum, which takes longer than the 20 day period allowed to hold children in custody. The Dept. of Health and Human Services has to find fosterage care after the 20 day period, or INS has to simply allow the release of the entire family pending resolution...which allows the illegals to disappear into society and become part of the millions of other illegals hiding from deportation.

That has been the prior problem..."Catch and release" and immigrants know this.

 

[Helix]

Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’

Good for her for speaking out against this abomination.

 

[tres borrachos]

The Bushes are illegal alien ass kissers. So Mrs. Bush whining about criminals being separated from their kids means nothing.

The kids being separated from their parents is the fault of the parents who brought them here illegally.

Millions of Americans are separated from their families when they commit crimes and are sent to prison or jail. You are not suggesting that people with kids get a get out jail free pass are you?

Maybe I've missed it over the years, but perhaps you can post some links and pictures of parents who committed crimes in this country and being sent to jail actually holding their children in their arms at the time of sentencing, and the children being yanked away?

By the way, in this country, that scenario tends not to be an issue as most children whose parent or parents end up in jail have other family members who hopefully have the means and decency to want to care for the innocent children. Most kids aren't put in detention centers on 22 hour lockdown.

 

[bubbabgone]

With previous administrations, parents with kids that crossed the border illegally were placed in family detention centers with their kids.

Moreover, this doesn't just apply to those that illegally cross, they are also taking the kids from parents that come here seeking asylum.

This is a Trump administration policy that the Trump Administration put into place in April. No one is the blame for this policy other than the Trump administration. They own it.

Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen
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@SecNielsen
For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous Administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law.

5:52 PM - Jun 17, 2018

 

[KevinKohler]

Maybe I've missed it over the years, but perhaps you can post some links and pictures of parents who committed crimes in this country and being sent to jail actually holding their children in their arms at the time of sentencing, and the children being yanked away?

By the way, in this country, that scenario tends not to be an issue as most children whose parent or parents end up in jail have other family members who hopefully have the means and decency to want to care for the innocent children. Most kids aren't put in detention centers on 22 hour lockdown.

And I'm quite certain these kids we are holding have family that could take them as well. Oh, if only that family would come forward to take them! Damn those families for not doing so!

 

[jamesrage]

Maybe I've missed it over the years, but perhaps you can post some links and pictures of parents who committed crimes in this country and being sent to jail actually holding their children in their arms at the time of sentencing, and the children being yanked away?

So you are saying that when a parent commits a criminal act that they are not sent to prison and therefor not separated from their families because there is no pictures of them holding their kids as they are sentenced?

By the way, in this country, that scenario tends not to be an issue as most children whose parent or parents end up in jail have other family members who hopefully have the means and decency to want to care for the innocent children.

I have no problem shipping the children back to their countries to go live with their grandparents, aunts and uncles or some other family members while their parents are being held.

Most kids aren't put in detention centers on 22 hour lockdown.

They are put into group homes if suitable relatives and caregivers are not found, they are not allowed to roam free.

 

[tres borrachos]

Good for her for speaking out against this abomination.

Laura Bush has a big heart. I miss her.

 

[tres borrachos]

So you are saying that when a parent commits a criminal act that they are not sent to prison and therefor not separated from their families because there is no pictures of them holding their kids as they are sentenced?



I have no problem shipping the children back to their countries to go live with their grandparents, aunts and uncles or some other family members while their parents are being held.




They are put into group homes if suitable relatives and caregivers are not found, they are not allowed to roam free.

Okay, so you admit that this isn't what happens with American citizens, since criminals aren't in court breastfeeding their babies while a judge imposes a sentence.

I'm glad you have no problem shipping these kids back to their countries, but most of the ones we're discussing are here because their own countries weren't safe and they are refugees. So that's nice that you'd have no problem sending them back to where things are terrible for them, but I have a bit more compassion for innocent children than that.

 

[bubbabgone]

With previous administrations, parents with kids that crossed the border illegally were placed in family detention centers with their kids.

Moreover, this doesn't just apply to those that illegally cross, they are also taking the kids from parents that come here seeking asylum.

This is a Trump administration policy that the Trump Administration put into place in April. No one is the blame for this policy other than the Trump administration. They own it.

Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said the Obama administration attempted to keep “quiet” about how many unaccompanied minors were crossing the border and that children were being held in detention centers.
He also pointed to immigrants bringing children across the border who are not their blood relatives in order to take advantage of U.S. immigration loopholes, which have since been rectified by Trump's zero-tolerance policy.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...et-how-many-children-illegally-crossed-border
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[KevinKohler]

Okay, so you admit that this isn't what happens with American citizens, since criminals aren't in court breastfeeding their babies while a judge imposes a sentence.

I'm glad you have no problem shipping these kids back to their countries, but most of the ones we're discussing are here because their own countries weren't safe and they are refugees. So that's nice that you'd have no problem sending them back to where things are terrible for them, but I have a bit more compassion for innocent children than that.

They're not in court breast feeding because for US citizens, the kids are ripped away before then. At the point of arrest. I'm sure someone could post some videos, if you're like, lol.

 

[tres borrachos]

They're not in court breast feeding because for US citizens, the kids are ripped away before then. At the point of arrest. I'm sure someone could post some videos, if you're like, lol.

Sure, please do post videos of mothers being arrested while they are breastfeeding. I'm 56 and don't ever recall it. And when these breastfeeding babies are ripped from mom at the time of arrest, what lockdown are they sent to? Presumably it's a lockdown and they don't get returned to their families, correct?

 

[tres borrachos]

Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said the Obama administration attempted to keep “quiet” about how many unaccompanied minors were crossing the border and that children were being held in detention centers.
He also pointed to immigrants bringing children across the border who are not their blood relatives in order to take advantage of U.S. immigration loopholes, which have since been rectified by Trump's zero-tolerance policy.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...et-how-many-children-illegally-crossed-border
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Interesting article, but I'm confused what unaccompanied minors have to do with this story. We're talking about minors with their mothers/fathers/both, not unaccompanied minors.

 

[ludin]

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

yet it has been going on since 2009.
again where was the morale outrage then?

In fact the report of all these missing children all happened under the obama administration not trump.
So there you have it. can we now have your morale outrage at obama?

 

[Lovebug]

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

Her husband had 8 years to fix the problem.

 

[Lovebug]

With previous administrations, parents with kids that crossed the border illegally were placed in family detention centers with their kids.

Moreover, this doesn't just apply to those that illegally cross, they are also taking the kids from parents that come here seeking asylum.

This is a Trump administration policy that the Trump Administration put into place in April. No one is the blame for this policy other than the Trump administration. They own it.

Then it is time for Congress to stop grandstanding and sit down and solve this, once and for all.

 

[ludin]

Good for her for speaking out against this abomination.

where was your outrage during the obama administration who was doing this?

 

[Lovebug]

where was your outrage during the obama administration who was doing this?

Or the outrage for American families who are being separated. Every day I hear pleas that we don't have enough foster families.

 

[jimbo]

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

Wife of George Bush the Compassionate Conservative. The Put Mexico First President.

George is at least as culpable in the current problem as Obama.

 

[ludin]

Okay, so you admit that this isn't what happens with American citizens, since criminals aren't in court breastfeeding their babies while a judge imposes a sentence.

I'm glad you have no problem shipping these kids back to their countries, but most of the ones we're discussing are here because their own countries weren't safe and they are refugees. So that's nice that you'd have no problem sending them back to where things are terrible for them, but I have a bit more compassion for innocent children than that.

Pregnant in prison: What happens to a baby born in prison

yet they are.

Most women who give birth while incarcerated have to hand over their baby to a family member or friends. If no one can help, then the baby goes to the Office of Children's Services.
yes plenty of families are broke up in the US due to one or more of the parents going to jail and the kids either have to stay with a relative that will take them or they become wards of the
state. They are put into foster homes etc ... some are worse than the home they came out of.

Most do not qualify for refugee status. Here is the US definition of qualifying refugee status.
The Act amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 by defining a refugee as any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

being afraid of gangs or whatever is not enough to cause a refugee status trigger by definition of the statute as written.
depending on why their country is not safe may or may not qualify as well.

 

[RAMOSS]

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I have never known Laura Bush to publicly get involved in any issue since her husband left office. It seems that this policy is so unconscionable, she felt the need to address it.

It was rare than she got involved in any statement during her husband's presidency either. She did the standard 'initiatives for education and literacy', and otherwise kept quiet about politics

 

[PirateMk1]

Okay, so you admit that this isn't what happens with American citizens, since criminals aren't in court breastfeeding their babies while a judge imposes a sentence.

I'm glad you have no problem shipping these kids back to their countries, but most of the ones we're discussing are here because their own countries weren't safe and they are refugees. So that's nice that you'd have no problem sending them back to where things are terrible for them, but I have a bit more compassion for innocent children than that.

I am tired of hearing about some other countries children. **** em, and their parents. Send em back without their parents pronto. Their parents can catch up when they are sent back themselves.