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Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100,000 Federal Workers Quit

EnchantedMuggle said:
How is that determined? Specifically.
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There are two general approaches: bottom-up and top-down. With bottom up, you look at every single role and make a fresh determination if its adding value. Top-down, you hand an budget challenge to your management team and say something like "You will have 10% less funding next year, figure out what changes you need to make in order to meet that expense target and maintain your quality of service."


EnchantedMuggle said:
Like it was last time Donald had to hire hundreds of workers back?
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Like, who cares?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Obviously, being a congress critter or congressional staffer is essential. ;)
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yep. Funny how members of Congress and some of their staff will continue to get paid during the shutdown while military families, BOR, ICE, etc. have to work without pay.

/sarcasm
I am sure that lenders will understand that some loan payments may be late in coming. What a great way for members of Congress to treat our military and other govt. workers.
 
mike2810 said:
yep. Funny how members of Congress and some of their staff will continue to get paid during the shutdown while military families, BOR, ICE, etc. have to work without pay.

/sarcasm
I am sure that lenders will understand that some loan payments may be late in coming. What a great way for members of Congress to treat our military and other govt. workers.
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We can question the wisdom of ‘our’ congress critters, but not their authority to make federal laws. The key difference between essential vs. non-essential federal employees is that essential federal employees must continue to work (during a ‘shutdown’) in order to get their delayed pay (once the ‘shutdown’ ends).
 
Once More said:
We don’t over engineer and overbuild because some people are unwilling to spend the money to do so.
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Some people? Like the State and the Feds?
Once More said:
Let’s save 10 million on a road project today… but spend 150 million 5 years down the road to enhance it … to about 50% of what is necessary.
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Do you work for TxDot or some other DOT?

If you do, you have my condolences!
 
mike2810 said:
yep. Funny how members of Congress and some of their staff will continue to get paid during the shutdown while military families, BOR, ICE, etc. have to work without pay.

/sarcasm
I am sure that lenders will understand that some loan payments may be late in coming. What a great way for members of Congress to treat our military and other govt. workers.
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Like other federal employees the staff of Congress does not get paid during a shutdown. Like other employees they will get paid later.

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Mr Person said:
These people...
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Imagine not knowing that the end goal is creating dysfunction and then a power vacuum so that the richest entities can fill that power vacuum and use what they've gained to extract even more wealth from the public.

Imagine actually believing that Trump is trying to benefit the average American and that having dysfunctional agencies will provide that benefit.



Imagine actually being convinced of these things. JFC.

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There's a LONG history of mistrust of government that goes all the way back to America's founding. It started with Democratic-Republicans, then morphed into conservative Democrats then transitioned to the MAGA conservative Republicans we know today. Regardless of which banner conservatism falls behind, "limited/smaller government" has always been their rallying cry.

These folks consider themselves to be ideological purists. They insist that government's only job is to craft tax policy in ways that benefit them and protect the nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. The irony here is these same people support abolishing the IRS. Furthermore, while supporting a strong national defense, they have no problem spending more and more taxpayer dollars on the "alphabet soup of federal agencies (i.e., Border Patrol, ICE, DHS while also maintaining the FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, NSA, DNI and any other federal agency conservative ideology can conceive of in the name of "national security"), as long as those agencies don't direct their ire their way. This is how these folks can look at what ICE is doing and either justify its actions or turn a blind eye to it because it's not happening to them. It's either happening to those "others" who deserve it or the "collateral damage" that was just in the way.

And that is the irony: A strong mistrust of government coupled with a strong resentment of said government using "their tax dollars" in ways they don't like, all the while harboring a distain for their freedoms being trampled on while depending on that very same government to protect them knowing that to do so may require the government to look into your private affairs. This, in large part, is why the Epstein Files holds dual space in their heads. On the one hand, it's "you said you'd hold government accountable" while on the other, it's "but it's my right to do whatever I want without government intrusion". Imagine holding this dual viewpoint in your head with the __________ for most being "but these were kids!" yet being okay with 10 year old girls having babies.

I mention all of this because this is the duality of the conservative mind: "As long as it's not happening to me, I'm fine with it. Just keep making sure I'm not the collateral damage to my own nightmare."
 
WorldWatcher said:
Like other federal employees the staff of Congress does not get paid during a shutdown. Like other employees they will get paid later.

WW
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I stand corrected on the staff.
For some reason I thought some of the staff got paid. My bad.
 
mike2810 said:
I stand corrected on the staff.
For some reason I thought some of the staff got paid. My bad.
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No problem. Happens.

But this is why I say we don't have government shutdowns, we have government slowdowns.

WW
 
mike2810 said:
what do you consider is "essential" government work?
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I would like to see the government minimalized. I believe its primary, most important purpose is to provide a framework in which our personal liberty, life and property rights are protected.

I would like to see minimum intrusion into people's personal lives. And minimal influence on the economy and business.

I think the federal government is the right place for us to organize our defense against external threats. And I would like to see law and Order handled on the most local level and up.

And, of course, we need a justice system, and that should be at all levels of government as well.

I would like to see as much privatized as possible, including health care, roads, that kind of thing.

And I would like the individual to have rights that are expressed upward through their local governments and their states. But I would prioritize the local government as the place where the most granular decisions are made.

But the devil is in the details, isn't it? It's how we define things like life, liberty, and property rights and what the implications are. So we end up with an octopus of second order effects.
 
cAPSLOCK said:
I would like to see the government minimalized. I believe its primary, most important purpose is to provide a framework in which our personal liberty, life and property rights are protected.

I would like to see minimum intrusion into people's personal lives. And minimal influence on the economy and business.

I think the federal government is the right place for us to organize our defense against external threats. And I would like to see law and Order handled on the most local level and up.

And, of course, we need a justice system, and that should be at all levels of government as well.

I would like to see as much privatized as possible, including health care, roads, that kind of thing.

And I would like the individual to have rights that are expressed upward through their local governments and their states. But I would prioritize the local government as the place where the most granular decisions are made.

But the devil is in the details, isn't it? It's how we define things like life, liberty, and property rights and what the implications are. So we end up with an octopus of second order effects.
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and what to do with all that federal land?
Would you support selling our National Parks or Forests to private individuals?

Privatize roads, really, guess you are for toll roads.

yes, the devil is in the details. Your response seems to lack understanding of what some Department and agencies do.
 
mike2810 said:
and what to do with all that federal land?
Would you support selling our National Parks or Forests to private individuals?

Privatize roads, really, guess you are for toll roads.

yes, the devil is in the details. Your response seems to lack understanding of what some Department and agencies do.
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There are public toll roads/lanes.

Public toll roads in Texas are operated by several regional and state authorities, including the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), the North Texas Tollway Authority (NTTA), the Harris County Toll Road Authority (HCTRA), and the Central Texas Regional Mobility Authority (CTRMA). Major toll roads and systems include the Central Texas Turnpike System and SH 130 in the Austin area, the Grand Parkway (SH 99) and SH 288 Managed Lanes in Houston, and the Dallas North Tollway and other TEXpress Lanes in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. You can pay tolls electronically using tags like TxTag, EZ Tag, and TollTag, or by using the "Pay By Mail" option for each specific toll road system.
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*above quote is from Google’s AI Overview*
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You know what you said isn't rue, right?

These were dead wood that were given buyouts to resign. If they failed to do so by midnight last night - they would be fired without the severance packages.
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🤣

Yeah, this isn't the slightest bit accurate.

The DRP was offered to all federal employees - not "dead wood," and the deadline to accept it was back in February. All of the people who resigned yesterday had already agreed to do so back in February.

As much as I know it rankles you guys, federal employees have many laws ensuring their jobs are protected from arbitrary and capricious actions by their employees, and for all adverse actions against federal employees (including "removal," which means being fired). No one will be fired for refusing the DRP.
 
mike2810 said:
True but the poster I responded to suggests roads be private not public.
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Public roadways (like public schools) are generally a mix, primarily publicly owned while primarily privately (via contract) built and maintained.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You know what you said isn't rue, right?

These were dead wood that were given buyouts to resign. If they failed to do so by midnight last night - they would be fired without the severance packages.
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You have no clue what you are talking about.
 
I almost feel bad for these workers.

Then I remembered the GSA scandal and that the US Federal government workforce is made up of 25% of people who don't know how to do anything at all and an additional 40% who don't know how to do anything other than their current job. These jobs were probably the only chance a lot of this 100,000 will ever have at health insurance.

It's time to take a hacksaw to the USPS pay structure too. Sorting mail isn't any harder than flipping burgers. Get it done Don.
 
Hamish Howl said:
It's not highway robbery.

I will have you know we do it in broad daylight, right in the middle of Main Street.

Besides, you NEED this stuff. I can prove it.
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Don't get started...
 
JohnfrmClevelan said:
No clue.
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These were federal dead wood that were invited to resign with sweet severance packages - ones that no one in the private sector would ever be offered. They were fired with golden parachutes. But they were fired.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
These were federal dead wood that were invited to resign with sweet severance packages - ones that no one in the private sector would ever be offered. They were fired with golden parachutes. But they were fired.
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🤣

It is shame that you have no sense of shame. But it is very funny watching you be so confidently wrong in everything you say.

The circumstances of the DRP are very well-known. It was offered to nearly every federal employee, not just the "dead wood," about 90% of federal employees declined, and none of them will be fired for doing so.
 
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