Large new study has found the risk of myocarditis in men under 40 soars with each dose of a Covid mRNA vaccine

[JMB802]

OK and ? are you questioning the results?
For the life of me and the health of young males WHY are we doing vax mandates for those under 40?
And now for KIDS?

The risks are low by population -although there are some with risk factors that need the vaxx
-but heart inflammation IS a real risk for those vaxxed in that group
an we know vaxing doesnt prevent transmission!

Nice try at deflection.

You finger-wagged at another poster for questioning the study and used a list of institutions as your "evidence".

For that reason, can you blame anyone for being skeptical about your link and your "analysis" of the study?

 

[anatta]

A risk, however slight, remains a risk. Children have died from Covid-19, as have healthy young adults with no underlying adverse health conditions. Vaccination doesn't prevent transmission but, and this is the important part, it greatly reduces the chance of becoming seriously ill and hospitalised.

gee thanks for the boilerplate *duh*.. do you know how many kids have died from COVID?
maybe a copule hundred. the morbitity rate is ridiculously low, and comobidities are the likely cause -not COVID itself

what this is showing is myocarditis is a real- if "rare" outcome -and with those low rates we shouldnt be doing mandates -
muchless boosters
We need therapeutics?What has biden been doing for a year?? not nearly enough tests or therapeutics
he's vaxx crazed instead

 

[BirdinHand]

I thought that it was "decided" that there *is* a risk of myocarditis and periocarditis, especially for young males, from the mRNA vaccinations.
Just like we know there is a risk of blood clots from the J&J vaccination.


Are people now denying that those risks exist?

 

[anatta]

No, HCQ did not get "good results". India dropped that as well as Ivermectin.

As ICMR Revises COVID Guidelines, India Can Exit the Thrall of Ivermectin, HCQ – The Wire Science

science.thewire.in

Im not getting into it suffice to say Lancett had to retract and most of the studies were late in the disease or hospitalizations
The new pills ( if they EVER come out) are only good for early use as well

 

[anatta]

Nice try at deflection.

You finger-wagged at another poster for questioning the study and used a list of institutions as your "evidence".

For that reason, can you blame anyone for being skeptical about your link and your "analysis" of the study?

skeptical is good. blind adherence to vaxing for all is not good

 

[snakestretcher]

gee thanks for the boilerplate *duh*.. do you know how many kids have died from COVID?
maybe a copule hundred. the morbitity rate is ridiculously low, and comobidities are the likely cause -not COVID itself

what this is showing is myocarditis is a real- if "rare" outcome -and with those low rates we shouldnt be doing mandates -
muchless boosters
We need therapeutics?What has biden been doing for a year?? not nearly enough tests or therapeutics
he's vaxx crazed instead

Myocarditis is, for the vast majority, a mild condition which only requires rest for full recovery.

Myocarditis - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

"Usually myocarditis goes away without permanent complications..."

 

[JMB802]

skeptical is good. blind adherence to vaxing for all is not good

Did I post anything about blind adherence to vaxxing?

You should stop relying on logical fallacies to deflect from your error. It's a weak debate tactic.

 

[snakestretcher]

skeptical is good. blind adherence to vaxing for all is not good

So all those childhood vaccines you were obliged to get before being allowed to attend school was "blind adherence"?

 

[gbg3]

Yes!
The risk of dying from covid for these males (those under 30) is zero. The risk of myocarditis from boosters is not zero!!!!!
This is precisely what several docs are worried about in boosting young people and this is precisely what the now ignored FDA vaccine experts were concerned about and why they voted no to the Biden booster plan.

 

[snakestretcher]

Yes!
The risk of dying from covid for these males (those under 30) is zero. The risk of myocarditis from boosters is not zero!!!!!
This is precisely what several docs are worried about in boosting young people and this is precisely what the now ignored FDA vaccine experts were concerned about and why they voted no to the Biden booster plan.

Nonsense; are you seriously suggesting there's "zero" risk of dying from Covid if you're under 30?

Children are more likely to die from Covid than vaccination – Full Fact

At least 25 children have sadly died from Covid in England alone, but we can find no evidence of a child dying as a result of the vaccine.

fullfact.org

Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?

As the pandemic rages in Brazil, hundreds of babies and young children are dying of Covid.

www.bbc.co.uk

And on myocarditis...

COVID vaccine-related myocarditis rare, usually mild, studies say

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Quote: "Almost 95% of vaccine-related myocarditis cases were mild..."

 

[roguenuke]

it does say:
A huge new study has found the risk of serious heart problems called myocarditis in men under 40 soars with each dose of a Covid mRNA vaccine - and is sharply higher than the risk from a coronavirus infection itself.

also
The study also contained some evidence that post-vaccine myocarditis might be more dangerous than other forms of myocarditis.
It showed a trend towards higher death rates in people hospitalized for myocarditis after vaccination compared to other myocarditis cases.

I would have to read the entire study -and the math is probably beyond my ability -but unless these are false claims
it does take that into consideration

The only one that was "sharply higher" was the Moderna vaccine.

gee thanks for the boilerplate *duh*.. do you know how many kids have died from COVID?
maybe a copule hundred. the morbitity rate is ridiculously low, and comobidities are the likely cause -not COVID itself

what this is showing is myocarditis is a real- if "rare" outcome -and with those low rates we shouldnt be doing mandates -
muchless boosters
We need therapeutics?What has biden been doing for a year?? not nearly enough tests or therapeutics
he's vaxx crazed instead

Over 600 children have died in the US from Covid.

 

[anatta]

So all those childhood vaccines you were obliged to get before being allowed to attend school was "blind adherence"?

oh please with the argumentum. the topic is mRNA COVID

get jabbed if you want to -i did. but know that if you are below 40 and male in otherwise good health
you may be neeter off not doing it

vaxxing doesnt stop the spread - if onmicon doesnt demonstrate that for you -it's pointless to continue
and stop firing people for not getting vaxxed! it doesnt even reduce the spread.

Hopefuly todays arguments before SCOTUS is the beginning of the end of these madness mandates

 

[roguenuke]

Yes!
The risk of dying from covid for these males (those under 30) is zero. The risk of myocarditis from boosters is not zero!!!!!
This is precisely what several docs are worried about in boosting young people and this is precisely what the now ignored FDA vaccine experts were concerned about and why they voted no to the Biden booster plan.

The risk of dying from Covid for those males is not zero so your entire premise fails here.

Near zero is not zero, especially when you compare to something else that is also near zero.

 

[roguenuke]

oh please with the argumentum. the topic is mRNA COVID

get jabbed if you want to -i did. but know that if you are below 40 and male in otherwise good health
you may be neeter off not doing it

vaxxing doesnt stop the spread - if onmicon doesnt demonstrate that for you -it's pointless to continue
and stop firing people for not getting vaxxed! it doesnt even reduce the spread.

Hopefuly todays arguments before SCOTUS is the beginning of the end of these madness mandates

Where's any evidence that those who got myocarditis from the vaccine were in "good health"?

It does reduce the spread, just not greatly. And it does absolutely reduce the risk of hospitalizations and deaths, and those things matter, especially greatly reducing hospitalizations, which ensures our healthcare systems can handle all emergencies, not just Covid.

 

[anatta]

The only one that was "sharply higher" was the Moderna vaccine.

Over 600 children have died in the US from Covid.

that's enough -how about the other mRNAs? (asking)
Did those 600 have comorbitities? i bet most did.
Let the people decide based on their individual health is the point -especially young healthy othrwise

 

[snakestretcher]

oh please with the argumentum. the topic is mRNA COVID

get jabbed if you want to -i did. but know that if you are below 40 and male in otherwise good health
you may be neeter off not doing it

vaxxing doesnt stop the spread - if onmicon doesnt demonstrate that for you -it's pointless to continue
and stop firing people for not getting vaxxed! it doesnt even reduce the spread.

Hopefuly todays arguments before SCOTUS is the beginning of the end of these madness mandates

"But know..."? Your opinion is noted. Vaccines may not reduce the spread but, and here's the salient point you are clearly eager to avoid mentioning, they greatly reduce the risk of serious sickness and hospitalisation.

 

[snakestretcher]

The only one that was "sharply higher" was the Moderna vaccine.

that's enough -how about the other mRNAs? (asking)
Did those 600 have comorbitities? i bet most did.
Let the people decide based on their individual health is the point -especially young healthy othrwise

You "bet"? Well that's definitive!

 

[roguenuke]

The only one that was "sharply higher" was the Moderna vaccine.

that's enough -how about the other mRNAs? (asking)
Did those 600 have comorbitities? i bet most did.
Let the people decide based on their individual health is the point -especially young healthy othrwise

The other mRNA was slightly higher in that study, just like J&J which isn't an mRNA.

I bet that it doesn't matter if they had comorbidities unless you also take that into account for every case of myocarditis from the vaccine. If it matters for one, it matters for both.

But no, it shouldn't be based on individual health, because we know that there is more than just deaths. Hospitalizations matter as well, and that puts others in danger from something that the vast majority could have prevented, since we absolutely know that hospitalizations are reduced with vaccinations, in all age groups.

 

[Paradoxical]

Great Buddha - do you understand it's a statistical aggregate of those instititional findings?
are you disputing the methodology? math? what?

"peer reviewed" is for an individual study. the samples , the methodology, and the conclusions
This is simply taking reported cases and putting them all into one aggregate finding

I would hardly call those"cherry picked"

The same people who present junk science that isn't peer-reviewed, talk about good scientific studies that aren't peer-reviewed.

 

[Paradoxical]

No, HCQ did not get "good results". India dropped that as well as Ivermectin.

As ICMR Revises COVID Guidelines, India Can Exit the Thrall of Ivermectin, HCQ – The Wire Science

science.thewire.in

And the reasons why...

Media hub - BMJ Group

Explore the latest published research, corporate updates, and insights from BMJ Group. Stay informed about cutting-edge scientific studies, medical innovations, and our impact on global healthcare.

www.bmj.com

Ivermectin for the Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials

Our systematic review of randomized controlled trials showed that ivermectin (vs control) did not reduce all-cause mortality, hospital stays, or viral clea

academic.oup.com

Any of your junk science studies peer-reviewed?

 

[anatta]

Where's any evidence that those who got myocarditis from the vaccine were in "good health"?

It does reduce the spread, just not greatly. And it does absolutely reduce the risk of hospitalizations and deaths, and those things matter, especially greatly reducing hospitalizations, which ensures our healthcare systems can handle all emergencies, not just Covid.

we dont know -i dont think they break it down if i recall. but if they wernt in good health - it's sensible to vaxx
if not it's not sensible

and no vaxxing doesnt stop the spread -it doesn't reduce it anymore then masking
My neighbor is mask crazy ( wears them outside) and fully jabbed. her entire household is sick with waht appears to be omnicron
as her mother came down from NY for th holidays

where are the therapeutics?????????????????? why didnt Biden do a Warp Speed on those and tests??
if we had available therapeutics much of this vaxx mandates would be moot

 

[tres borrachos]

Yes, a cherry-picked 'aggregate'. It has not been peer-reviewed, and that is the crucial part.

But it's large. Huge!

 

[tshade]

Enough of endless boosters and one sixe fits all mandates for healthy people with low risks!<----my comment

More bad news on Covid vaccines and myocarditis in men under 40 - even as more colleges require booster shots for students

A huge new study has found the risk of serious heart problems called myocarditis in men under 40 soars with each dose of a Covid mRNA vaccine - …

alexberenson.substack.com

A huge new study has found the risk of serious heart problems called myocarditis in men under 40 soars with each dose of a Covid mRNA vaccine - and is sharply higher than the risk from a coronavirus infection itself.

The findings call into sharp question the efforts by American colleges and universities to make their students receive booster shots before returning to school this January - especially since other studies have shown that the risk of post-vaccine myocarditis is concentrated not merely in men under 40 but in those aged 16-25.

The study, which British researchers released in late December, showed that the risk of myocarditis almost doubled after the first Pfizer shot in men under 40. Then it doubled again after the second and doubled again after the third - to almost eight times the baseline risk.

Oh please----just get the vaccines and stop the scare tactics.................no wonder this pandemic wears on........

 

[Paradoxical]

But it's large. Huge!

Those who have no peer-reviewed studies demand that others have them.

 

[tres borrachos]

Those who have no peer-reviewed studies demand that others have them.

Are they large? Huge?