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LAPD ban of ‘thin blue line’ flags is latest salvo in culture war (LA Times)

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according to fox opinion it's the result of one complaint. But there's more to it than just that
That complaint ties the flag to white supremacy - the Police Chief then bailed on the blue line
www.latimes.com

LAPD ban of 'thin blue line' flags is latest salvo in culture war

LAPD Chief Michel Moore says the flag's original meaning, police support, has been "hijacked" by extremist groups.
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The Los Angeles Police Department has ordered its officers not to display the “thin blue line” flag publicly, though they may still do so at their personal work spaces, lockers or personal vehicles. Chief Michel Moore said the flag’s original meaning, police support, has been “hijacked” by far-right extremist groups.
Chief Michel Moore ordered the flag, which was widely displayed in station lobbies around the city, to be removed from public view.

Moore’s decree also forced a public fissure between him and the powerful Los Angeles Police Protective League, which represents rank-and-file officers. While the union has not taken an official position on Moore’s on-going efforts to win another five-year term as chief, it has been supportive of his reappointment behind the scenes.

Inside the department, some said they saw Moore’s move as the chief taking sides in a clash over policing that has ratcheted up in recent years following the police killings of George Floyd and other Black people, according to officers who spoke with The Times on the condition that their identities be kept secret so that they could speak freely. Others felt the angry reaction to the ban was overblown.
But even those who didn’t feel strongly about the flag said it created the perception of kowtowing to progressive activists. They likened the ban to Moore’s decision to kneel alongside protesters at huge protests following Floyd’s murder. Some officers began circulating a years-old photo of Moore holding the flag while marching beside former L.A. County Sheriff Jim McDonnell.

In a departmentwide email, Moore said the flag’s original meaning of support for police had been overshadowed when it began appearing at rallies for the Proud Boys and other far-right extremist groups.
 
Fledermaus said:
It's a political symbol now?

When did that happen?
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2014.

The "thin blue line" symbol has been used by the "Blue Lives Matter" movement, which emerged in 2014 as a rebuttal to the Black Lives Matter movement, and gained traction following the high-profile homicides of NYPD officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in Brooklyn, New York.[4][5][6][7][8] The "thin blue line" has also been associated with white nationalists in the US, particularly after the Unite the Right rally in 2017,[9][10] who fly Thin Blue Line flags at their rallies.[11]
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Thin blue line - Wikipedia

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LAPD chief is pandering to his city's communist mayor.
 
Their job is to keep the peace.....

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.....having their cliques flag displayed to the public on their uniforms or vehicles isn't very professional IMO.

As Barney Fife once said.



".....this badge represents a lot of people....."
 
Super Chief said:
LAPD chief is pandering to his city's communist mayor.
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Hyperbole much?

I see Moore being pro-active — protecting the department from charges of cliques that have rattled the public’s trust in the LASD.

Moore has reason to ban the symbol especially in light of LAPD officers recently having used tasers for longer than recommended on a suspect who subsequently died.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Thin blue line symbology is trash any way you read it. It was trash before the far right hijacked it.

Maybe focus on bigger issues like not having your department being staffed with thugs and criminals.
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A Democrat calling cops “thugs and criminals” and saying supporting fallen officers is “white supremacy”

Not a surprise at all.
 
NolanVoyd said:
2014.

The "thin blue line" symbol has been used by the "Blue Lives Matter" movement, which emerged in 2014 as a rebuttal to the Black Lives Matter movement, and gained traction following the high-profile homicides of NYPD officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in Brooklyn, New York.[4][5][6][7][8] The "thin blue line" has also been associated with white nationalists in the US, particularly after the Unite the Right rally in 2017,[9][10] who fly Thin Blue Line flags at their rallies.[11]
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Thin blue line - Wikipedia

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Leftists believe that if you don’t support murdering police officer you’re a “white nationalist” really though “white nationalist” is just a slur for anyone who’s not a leftist used as a political epithet.
 
Chief Moore should not be criticized.

He had no choice.

This city (in which I have lived since the 1940s) is now a very liberal city with a population profile to match.

In the old days, we had a mayor who refused to attend the inauguration of his non-Caucasian successor (who went on to be mayor for 20 years).

In the old days, we had a police chief who condemned the crime committed by a certain ethnicity and then publicly said, "We never asked them to come to Los Angeles." (In those days, the LAPD was a force unto itself. The elected officials had little control. One chief even refused to speak with the mayor!)

To be frank, a lot of people have long felt that the blue line was their only protection between the good people and the bad criminals. Those days are over.
 
anatta said:
In a departmentwide email, Moore said the flag’s original meaning of support for police had been overshadowed when it began appearing at rallies for the Proud Boys and other far-right extremist groups.
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Sounds like a decent reason to be rid of it.
 
venice_ca said:
Nonsense.
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No, that’s the objective truth. “White nationalist” is just a slur for non leftists. Actual white nationalists to the extent they exist aren’t working for urban police departments, they usually go out of their way to live in remote areas and not engage with wider society.

Whenever a leftist says “white nationalist” it’s always just a political slur. It’s never used as an accurate description of a concept or person.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, that’s the objective truth. “White nationalist” is just a slur for non leftists. Actual white nationalists to the extent they exist aren’t working for urban police departments, they usually go out of their way to live in remote areas and not engage with wider society.

Whenever a leftist says “white nationalist” it’s always just a political slur. It’s never used as an accurate description of a concept or person.
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Nonsense.

Also, please see LASD for gangs — not in some rural corner of the state.
 
It is a shame that a symbol for fallen officers has been turned into something barbarous….
 
Unfortunately that flag has been co-opted into a political symbol.
 
venice_ca said:
Nonsense.

Also, please see LASD for gangs
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There are no “gangs” in LASD, at least not that I’m aware of from reporting. That was purposefully politically charged terminology. For the most part when I looked into these alleged “gangs” nearly all of them were informal cliques of Latino deputies working in majority Latino neighborhoods. There was very little or very vague insinuations of misconduct with no real evidence. They certainly weren’t running rackets or committing organized crime like an actual criminal gang.

I certainly don’t see anything wrong with this, but again since the left broadly hates police officers they try to twist things for political reasons. And do so frequently, Chicano cops forming groups and getting Tattoos is not the crime of the century
 
Blue Dog said:
It is a shame that a symbol for fallen officers has been turned into something barbarous….
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By the left, through deception.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
There are no “gangs” in LASD, at least not that I’m aware of from reporting. That was purposefully politically charged terminology. For the most part when I looked into these alleged “gangs” nearly all of them were informal cliques of Latino deputies working in majority Latino neighborhoods. There was very little or very vague insinuations of misconduct with no real evidence. They certainly weren’t running rackets or committing organized crime like an actual criminal gang.

I certainly don’t see anything wrong with this, but again since the left broadly hates police officers they try to twist things for political reasons. And do so frequently, Chicano cops forming groups and getting Tattoos is not the crime of the century
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There are still deputy gangs at various LASD stations, including the one in Compton. You don’t read the LA Times? Listen to local public radio? You do know that the November 2022 ballot initiative to allow the County to take action against a Sheriff was because of Villanueva rebuffing any type of oversight.

The LA County Board of Supervisors were on Villanueva about ridding the SD of gangs, and his responses were all over the place, including contradictory. The lawsuit brought by deputies against gang deputies is going ahead, as well as one other claiming gang deputies take retaliation against non-gang deputies.
 
How was it hijacked exactly?

Are we gonna start banning people from displaying rainbows because you know it's been hijacked by far left activist groups?

How many other symbols can we ban under this new innocuous term "hijacked"?
 
trouble13 said:
How was it hijacked exactly?

Are we gonna start banning people from displaying rainbows because you know it's been hijacked by far left activist groups?

How many other symbols can we ban under this new innocuous term "hijacked"?
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Who's "we"? The LAPD is who this is about.
 
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