I realize over in Iran they are still stoning people to death but we are not in Iran so why on Earth should we put the label of a 3rd world country on the shoulders of the large and peaceful group of American Muslims. I am absolutley sick of hearing "They still stone people to death". Yeah they do, in Iran not the U.S.A. I personally do not support religion one bit but it's here to stay during my lifetime and I live in a Country that has religious freedom woven into it's fabric. I sure as hell will see to it that every religion is treated fairly. What many of you doing by painting all of Islam as the guilty of 9/11 is wrong.
If a pack of radical Christians were to have rammed Jets into the twin towers we would not see such an objection if a YMCA with a chapel inside it being built within two blocks of the site, You all know you wouldn't appose that. It comes down to the core of religion. You all think that Muslims are misguided and on the wrong path, how would they find popularity in an overwhelmingly Christian country? You see, Islam has just as much of a chance being true as Christianity. Which is why I think it's laughable about how some of you argue about which religion is better, American Muslims are good people they are not like there counterparts in the middle east so quit putting that label on them.
Arcana XV;1058881252 said:I don't really understand what that's got to do with the way our political system is structured. You don't know much about my country, do you? :lol:
And yet there's nothing they can do to stop it. Oh, darn. Well, rail against my little corner of the world all you want for past deeds, but at least here the people run the country. It's not my fault your politicians have more power than you do. :lol:
You cannot, under any circumstances, simply ban a religion.
All you can do is ban whatever religious practices violate the rights of others.
That has to be one of the worst excuses I've heard on this issue. That's like saying a church isn't a church its just a community center with an area to pray in lol
You did manage to separate those nasty Jooz from all their money a few decades ago and you are currently harboring a ciminal who bought a pardon from Clinton. Well done.
And they have. IN SPADES. They don't want it.
Don't get ahead of yourself. Hmm.... I see, you are from Switzerland
Didn't you guys approve a constitutional ban on Mosque Minarets last year? FOXNews.com - Switzerland Defends Ban on Mosque Minarets
It's not my fault YOUR politicians have more power than you do. :lol:
Dude, you're making my case for me.
This was a popular initiative. Signatures were collected and a referendum vote was held. The results are constitutionally binding. The government DID NOT WANT this law to pass. The PEOPLE of this country always have the final say and the constitution was changed after the popular vote. I may not be happy about the result, personally. But our system of democracy was respected and I have no choice but to accept it. That doesn't change the fact that the people of Switzerland have ALWAYS held more power than their government. I am perfectly free to go out tomorrow and collect signatures to try and reverse the vote. If I'm successful and a majority of people vote for my initiative, the constitution will be changed once again. Do you understand that all it takes in this country to change the constitution is a popular vote?
And you try to tell me that our politicians have any power whatsoever? Now THAT is commedy GOLD! :lol::lol::lol:
We'll see it sometime in the future..
Are you saying they're NOT building a community center?
Weird.
I've never heard of a church with a swimming pool, a bookstore and restaurants in it.
Americans are funny. :lol:
I don't really understand what that's got to do with the way our political system is structured. You don't know much about my country, do you? :lol:
And yet there's nothing they can do to stop it. Oh, darn. Well, rail against my little corner of the world all you want for past deeds, but at least here the people run the country. It's not my fault your politicians have more power than you do. :lol:
Don't get ahead of yourself. Hmm.... I see, you are from Switzerland
Didn't you guys approve a constitutional ban on Mosque Minarets last year? FOXNews.com - Switzerland Defends Ban on Mosque Minarets
It's not my fault YOUR politicians have more power than you do. :lol:
LOL!!!! Well done
I hope you're laughing AT him, rather than WITH him.
Then you'd be disappointed because he is absoltuely correct.
Um, no, because as ArcanaXV pointed out, the minarette ban was put to a public vote. The politicians did not institute it.
The point he was making was who enforced it. The people don't do that and it goes against was Arcana said about the people vs the politicians.
No one people run a country, the politicians do.
Do you enjoy looking foolish?
I'm sure there are bathrooms too but it is a Mosque.
And the Swiss need some help. If you can't tell this is a mosque you've got real problems.
Why would an Imam already be assigned if its a community center?
Actually I do know quite a bit and since you couldn't refute any of the points I made about your country you just confirmed it. Thank you
LOL Really. So the people require you to have permits, obey the law and pay taxes and not a government? Wow! Take me to your fantasy land!
And yes we can do something about it. We can demand they come up with where the money is coming from because its a good bet it comes from countries that support terrorism.
Um, no, he was totally confused about what body of individuals instituted the ban to begin with.
If you didn't see that, you're more confused than Ric is.
Totally fair, but you'd at least expect them to admin that they don't know what they're talking about, right?
So you condone illegal actions against a group that had nothing to do with 9/11. Got it, how very un-American of you.
Your comments make me and many other true Americans sick.
How do you know they're not Discordians in disguise? :lol:
Seriously, tho, that is but one sect. And a Shiite one to boot. I thought the main problem was with fundamentalist Sunni Islam? At least that's what I've been led to believe by all those rightwing think tanks.
True Americans? Puh-leeeeze.... You ARE sick.
Right wing think tanks eh? The 'twelvers' make up around 85% of all Shi'ia sect, which is the majority of Muslims do you dispute that?
j-mac
What the heck are you talking about? The majority of Muslims are Sunni, not Shiite.
Looking for specific prosecutions of adultery would be a waste of time. It's not a matter of any serious dispute. As for the life sentence, it makes as much sense as a life sentence for drugs and is no more puritanical.
The point about colonial laws is that they were a product of our culture and religion, the same culture that produced the Constitution and the United States.
Fundamentalist ideas, or whatever you want to call them, don't necessarily make a society incapable of democratic self-rule.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?