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Lame Duck Time? Obama?

Lame Duck?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 75.0%

  • No

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Total voters
    4
  • Poll closed .
Chomsky said:
Apparently, we disagree here.

If we change the variable, and the problem remains, it would seem to indicate the non-variable is causing the problem.

So went my HRC theory.

But I suppose it's fair to speculate Obama could be at fault, and HRC may be just as much at fault in turn.

I just don't see it that way though, especially when I saw Boehner couldn't even get corporation from his own party as Spkr - so how was the opposition party to get cooperation?

I see the GOP dysfunctionality as a strong contributor to the stalemate.

As an aside, and perhaps arguing against my point, I do believe HRC (and hubby) would likely break a fair amount of the stalemate. I think even at his advancing age, Bubba still's got some political chops.

But even if she's successful, that doesn't mean the GOP haven't been complicit under the Obama Presidency IMO.
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Well, we do and we don't

Of course the dysfunction is on both sides. As the so call Tea Party dug in, so did the Democrats.

My point is by simply changing one character you are likely to change little.

The whole game has changed, anyway. It's all out war. Hillary was part of that administration, aided and abetted Obama in his attacks and his **** will stick to her. Unless she changes her stand on most of her issues, it will be more of the same unless she has a majority, which I would say is out of the question for Democrats.

Meanwhile, I have seen this before about Bill. Is America voting for Hillary, or Bill off her skirt tails? Let's remember too that the Republicans impeached him too.

No, I am sorry to say my friend that Obama has changed the game, it was, and still is, far too bitter and personal; if elected Hillary will be in a worse position than Obama, and she does NOT know compromise
 
Don't worry, y'all...when Congress gets back to work after their vacation...and when Obama finally gets back to work...he'll have a lot on his plate with trying to shuck and jive and spin and mutilate his way through the stuff the Republicans are going to send his way.

He...or rather, his speech-writers...will be very busy.

News from The Associated Press
 
Fearandloathing said:
Well, we do and we don't

Of course the dysfunction is on both sides. As the so call Tea Party dug in, so did the Democrats.

My point is by simply changing one character you are likely to change little.

The whole game has changed, anyway. It's all out war. Hillary was part of that administration, aided and abetted Obama in his attacks and his **** will stick to her. Unless she changes her stand on most of her issues, it will be more of the same unless she has a majority, which I would say is out of the question for Democrats.

Meanwhile, I have seen this before about Bill. Is America voting for Hillary, or Bill off her skirt tails? Let's remember too that the Republicans impeached him too.

No, I am sorry to say my friend that Obama has changed the game, it was, and still is, far too bitter and personal; if elected Hillary will be in a worse position than Obama, and she does NOT know compromise
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I'll tell ya', there's times I wish we had a parliamentary form of government!
 
Chomsky said:
I'll tell ya', there's times I wish we had a parliamentary form of government!
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Good point.

However it has its weaknesses as well. When Harper was in minority we had good government, but as soon as he got his majority he changed the whole country. They brought in "tough on crime" laws that were way out of the Canadian ethic, he brought in huge omnibus bills hiding much of the crap he really wanted, he opened up spying like the US...we became 'too American"...and he was dumped in the greatest turn-around by a political party.

That is the only defense we have, to throw the bastards out when the mandate expires, Harper extended his to the full fives years. What we don't have is money stealing elections, at least no anymore, that's another thing Justin has to change, go back to outlawing corporate contributions
 
Fearandloathing said:
Good point.

However it has its weaknesses as well. When Harper was in minority we had good government, but as soon as he got his majority he changed the whole country. They brought in "tough on crime" laws that were way out of the Canadian ethic, he brought in huge omnibus bills hiding much of the crap he really wanted, he opened up spying like the US...we became 'too American"...and he was dumped in the greatest turn-around by a political party.

That is the only defense we have, to throw the bastards out when the mandate expires, Harper extended his to the full fives years. What we don't have is money stealing elections, at least no anymore, that's another thing Justin has to change, go back to outlawing corporate contributions
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And, that's a big deal. (bolded)
 
Chomsky said:
I agree.

But I see the GOP strongly at fault, too.

They got held hostage often enough by the Tea Party faction, enough so that the party flirted with being ungovernable.

A prime example might be the "Grand Bargain", and the subsequent credit downgrade we suffered.

But I do agree that the President might have been able to do a better job - It is the President's job to provide leadership. Though I'm not so sure how possible this was with the state that the GOP were in for much of the time; even Spkr Boehner couldn't herd his cats at critical junctures.

Now if HRC attains the Presidency, and we continue to have the same stalemate, then I'll have to lay the blame strongly at the feet of the Republican Party. There will be no Obama to blame.
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The Tea Party faction ran on a platform and were elected...the House Reps and Senators represent their districts and states. They are not subservient to the President or anyone else. Actually representing their constituents is not holding anyone hostage.
 
Obama is a poor politician and a prick who has a very difficult time working with others, but he still has the POTUS chair and what ever power of the pen the courts will allow. He will make max use of it though almost all of what he does will be reversed by Trump when he gets in the chair, so the lasting effect of Obama's last year will be scant most likely. The fly in the ointment is that we might see a D and R unified effort to remove as much power from the presidency as possible before Trump takes the chair, so there might be a lot of very damaging actions taken with Obama's help come Nov/Dec.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Obama is a poor politician and a prick who has a very difficult time working with others, but he still has the POTUS chair and what ever power of the pen the courts will allow. He will make max use of it though almost all of what he does will be reversed by Trump when he gets in the chair, so the lasting effect of Obama's last year will be scant most likely. The fly in the ointment is that we might see a D and R unified effort to remove as much power from the presidency as possible before Trump takes the chair, so there might be a lot of very damaging actions taken with Obama's help come Nov/Dec.
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Trump ain't taking the chair, bruh.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Obama is a poor politician and a prick who has a very difficult time working with others, but he still has the POTUS chair and what ever power of the pen the courts will allow. He will make max use of it though almost all of what he does will be reversed by Trump when he gets in the chair, so the lasting effect of Obama's last year will be scant most likely. The fly in the ointment is that we might see a D and R unified effort to remove as much power from the presidency as possible before Trump takes the chair, so there might be a lot of very damaging actions taken with Obama's help come Nov/Dec.
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How does anyone take power from the Presidency?

The powers of the executive are in the Constitution.
 
Kobie said:
He hasn't even been through a primary yet.
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So true. It's amazing how much influence an individual can have on the media and on the chattering class. He certainly does have power..

Another thread turned to Trump.
 
Iamjesus said:
How does anyone take power from the Presidency?

The powers of the executive are in the Constitution.
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Pass a whole much of stuff before he gets the chair so that the work is done, as well as write law that attempts to pull power from the executive branch into the legislative branch. Sure the courts would have something to say about that, but it would take awhile, and we cant be sure what they would say. Then both parties in a back room decide that Congress is not going to play ball with Trump.
 
Iamjesus said:
The Tea Party faction ran on a platform and were elected...the House Reps and Senators represent their districts and states. They are not subservient to the President or anyone else. Actually representing their constituents is not holding anyone hostage.
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My reply was in the context of compromise & solutions moving the country forward.

But I suppose everything you said can also be said of Mr. Obama & his constituents.
 
PakPuk said:
Obama seems to be frankly messing around in the final months of his terrible presidency going on comedy and nature programs as well as golfing all of the time. Looks like he is looking for executive action on gun grabbing once again.

Any one else agree he is just having a laugh now?
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The actual lame duck session of a presidency happens after the election, After that he stands no chance of screwing up his parties candidates chances and has no fear of re election. If he goes lame duck prior to that, he can greatly hurt the democrat candidate
 
beerftw said:
If he goes lame duck prior to that, he can greatly hurt the democrat candidate
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He does not have a choice, he did not take care of his relationship with Congress so he cant do anything, which has been the case for awhile. Somebody forgot to teach this fool that politics is a team sport, and once you give the team the finger one too many times you are done. Or maybe they did and he decided that he knew better, that we all had to play by his rules. HE will whine and play the victim, but he is the main problem, he did this to himself.

And no Obama, the guy who is positively sure that he is the smartest guy in every room, does not know this. Fantasy trumps reality with this one....
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Obama is a poor politician and a prick who has a very difficult time working with others, but he still has the POTUS chair and what ever power of the pen the courts will allow. He will make max use of it though almost all of what he does will be reversed by Trump when he gets in the chair, so the lasting effect of Obama's last year will be scant most likely. The fly in the ointment is that we might see a D and R unified effort to remove as much power from the presidency as possible before Trump takes the chair, so there might be a lot of very damaging actions taken with Obama's help come Nov/Dec.
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A prick huh? lol
 
poweRob said:
A prick huh? lol
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The D's on the Hill will tell you just this in their unguarded moments, so ya. They have no reason to lie about it, infact it probably goes the other way.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The D's on the Hill will tell you just this in their unguarded moments, so ya. They have no reason to lie about it, infact it probably goes the other way.
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Wow.. so you know Obama's a prick because you know the Dems so well that they tell you, a trumpeteer, all their secrets? You're funny.
 
poweRob said:
Wow.. so you know Obama's a prick because you know the Dems so well that they tell you, a clearly rabid right-winger, all their secrets? You're funny.
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I read, I was thankfully over time educated , I am curious, and I pay attention.

I am right a high percentage of the time, which is something that you are going to have to adjust to if I stick around here.

BTW: I like Bernie too, he is my second choice.
 
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PakPuk said:
Less than a year left. His behavior has gotten more arrogant and careless over the last 2 years already from taking selfies in the oval office to going on TV and singing cringe worthy songs. Is this leadership or just a show clown?
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Uh, 1 year and about 18 days, depending on what day the inauguration date falls.
 
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