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LA immigration protests live updates: 700 Marines deployed to Los Angeles

gbg3 said:
Here is this segment I was discussing in this quote above.

Are Dems going to just say, no, this isn't really how Americans feel and that the NYT piece and Enten are all wrong? I think the answer is yes. They will just stupidly double down on this absolutely insane political position they are taking in recent days.

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I think the vast majority of Americans 60% or more do not want Marines and the Guard invading major U.S. cities to help with ordinary law enforcement. There has been no polling on that, but I can guarantee you that's what we'll see. Of course, 30 to 40% of the population, mostly Trump supporters, will be generally sympathetic with the military murdering civilians in cities where the majority of residents are Democrats. They are just itching for it. And Stephen Miller is deliberately trying to create the conditions for that. There is a way of enforcing immigration law without being lawless, thuggish, belligerent assholes about everything.

What most people want is a strong border and a fair and orderly immigration system.

What Trump's core supporters want is zero immigration and to immediately deport 10 million or more people despite the consequences and using any means necessary.
 
Along Came Jones said:
That was a very interesting article. Thanks for that. It concludes with:

The good news is that the federalization of the joint task force worked exactly as it was supposed to and no one wearing a uniform of the U.S. military was killed or seriously injured. Most importantly, no U.S. troops killed or wounded any innocent civilians.

You might be interested in an article the Marine Corps Association published: Examining the Sequence of Events, Protocol And Ultimate Call to Send in the Marines. Boredom seemed to be the most common experience of the Marines.
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The Marines fired 200 rounds in to a US residence.

That alone should put a chill in to anyone wanting to keep the US Democracy.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I think the vast majority of Americans 60% or more do not want Marines and the Guard invading major U.S. cities to help with ordinary law enforcement. There has been no polling on that, but I can guarantee you that's what we'll see.
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Except there is no "invasion" and what is needed is not "ordinary" law enforcement.
W_Heisenberg said:
Of course, 30 to 40% of the population, mostly Trump supporters, will be generally sympathetic with the military murdering civilians in cities where the majority of residents are Democrats. They are just itching for it. And Stephen Miller is deliberately trying to create the conditions for that.
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This is one of the more stupid things you have posted. Don't stay "stuck" there.
 
SuperDS77 said:
and what is needed is not "ordinary" law enforcement.
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That's not what the chief of police said.

SuperDS77 said:
This is one of the more stupid things you have posted. Don't stay "stuck" there.
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I don't believe you. I've seen too many Trump supporters salivate at the notion of gunning down residents of Los Angeles.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
That's not what the chief of police said.
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Indeed he said that there were so many people engaging in this riotous behavior, that they (the LA police) were "overwhelmed".

Perhaps there is a new "woke" definition of "overwhelmed" being understood by you. Am I correct?
W_Heisenberg said:
I don't believe you. I've seen too many Trump supporters salivate at the notion of gunning down residents of Los Angeles.
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Lie.
 
BirdinHand said:
Well…because there’s really no such thing as an “illegal”

People aren’t illegal.

What their current immigration status is can vary wildly - and for a miriad of reasons.

🤷‍♀️

Actually understanding that is the key to having an actual informed debate and discussion regarding the topic.

Something you have yet to demonstrate.
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That’s silly. Overstaying a visa is a civil infraction, just like speeding. Undocumented entry is a civil infraction, like having your taillight out.

When drivers violate traffic laws. We call them “illegal drivers” don’t we? So why wouldn’t we also call immigrants who violate immigration law “illegal immigrants”?
 
But I'm sure she can find solace in voices being heard. :rolleyes:

 
gbg3 said:
You beat to this exact response.

No other president/party has ever deliberately done what the Biden's administration did - and thus no president before Trump has ever been left with needing to fix the border/illegal/criminal disaster created.
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Must have been the talking point on Fox last night.....
 
jmotivator said:
So you just outright admit that your argument is founded in a conspiracy theory? Huh....
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Y’all actually believe that people are sweating at a griddle all day so they can launder money for cartels.

Which I assume means all those landscapers and construction workers and hotel maids are all fronting for cartels.

It’s a ridiculously stupid argument.

And even more obviously implemented by propagandists. Because y’all as a group came here with that line at the same time. With the same verbiage, and imagery. Which means it’s the worlds most amazing coincidence or manufactured.
 
L88 said:
I remember when the MAGAs were apoplectic over Biden's reference to F15s.

Now Trump is putting a military force on the ground to use against Americans and MAGAs want more.
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Betas. All of MAGA are betas. Not an alpha in the group. All looking to Daddy to make them feel strong.

It’s pathetic.
 
The LA police force is 9,000 strong and so there is no cause to bring in the NG or Marines as neither has any experience in crowd control. Why not send in the Air Force?
 
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SuperDS77 said:
Indeed he said that there were so many people engaging in this riotous behavior, that they (the LA police) were "overwhelmed".\
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They are just peaceful tourists showing some love.
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
That’s silly. Overstaying a visa is a civil infraction, just like speeding. Undocumented entry is a civil infraction, like having your taillight out.

When drivers violate traffic laws. We call them “illegal drivers” don’t we? So why wouldn’t we also call immigrants who violate immigration law “illegal immigrants”?
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No - I don’t call people “illegal drivers”

In fact, never heard that phrase before.
 
BirdinHand said:
No - I don’t call people “illegal drivers”

In fact, never heard that phrase before.
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Hmmm. Fascinating. Usually, when drivers get a speeding ticket, they are referred to as “illegal drivers,” or just “illegals” for short.

But you do agree that if someone has received a civil infraction like a speeding ticket, that makes them criminal scum and probably mafiosos as well, right?
 
L88 said:
The Marines fired 200 rounds in to a US residence.

That alone should put a chill in to anyone wanting to keep the US Democracy.
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The Philadelphia police department once bombed a house from a helicopter and burned up half the community. Back in the day, 200 members of the Los Angeles police department, the Sheriff's department and FBI isolated a community in which the Symbionese Liberation Army was hiding, laid siege to a house with automatic gunfire and dozens of tear gas canisters. The resulting fire drove out two, one committed suicide, and the rest died from smoke inhalation and burns.

I think firing 200 rounds to eliminate a gunman's threat isn't all that extreme. Nor does it of itself portend a threat to U.S. democracy.
 
What if...? said:
Y’all actually believe that people are sweating at a griddle all day so they can launder money for cartels.
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Ha! Nope. I think that people who are here illegally are here illegally. I also know that laundering money requires a legitimate business to launder the money through.

All you are doing is telling everyone you don't understand even the basics, and are operating on imaginary, ignorant emotional narratives.

I should also point out to you that many of the workers in those businesses are working under involuntary servitude to work off the thousands they owe to the cartel, and the cartel, since it has no ACTUAL payroll, gets to funnel illegal funds as payroll expenses through the business.

But you don't really care about that when there are narratives to be protected. Not much concern for the law, unsurprisingly.
 
jmotivator said:
Ha! Nope. I think that people who are here illegally are here illegally. I also know that laundering money requires a legitimate business to launder the money through.

All you are doing is telling everyone you don't understand even the basics, and are operating on imaginary, ignorant emotional narratives.

I should also point out to you that many of the workers in those businesses are working under involuntary servitude to work off the thousands they owe to the cartel, and the cartel, since it has no ACTUAL payroll, gets to funnel illegal funds as payroll expenses through the business.

But you don't really care about that when there are narratives to be protected. Not much concern for the law, unsurprisingly.
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The logic of forcefully deporting hard working people who are being exploited is eluding me.
 
moral of the story here ?


don't riot
don't impede ICE in doing their jobs
if you're illegally in the USA leave, please
 
stealthycat said:
moral of the story here ?


don't riot
don't impede ICE in doing their jobs
if you're illegally in the USA leave, please
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Morale of the story?

ICE is a bunch of Gestapo wannabes, anyone thinking about joining the military nowadays should probably consider if they are willing to shoot civilians here in the US, and Trump is a moron.
 
jmotivator said:
Ha! Nope. I think that people who are here illegally are here illegally. I also know that laundering money requires a legitimate business to launder the money through.

All you are doing is telling everyone you don't understand even the basics, and are operating on imaginary, ignorant emotional narratives.

I should also point out to you that many of the workers in those businesses are working under involuntary servitude to work off the thousands they owe to the cartel, and the cartel, since it has no ACTUAL payroll, gets to funnel illegal funds as payroll expenses through the business.

But you don't really care about that when there are narratives to be protected. Not much concern for the law, unsurprisingly.
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Indeed, Trump had that down to a science laundering money for the Russian mob in the 90's.
 
j brown's body said:
The logic of forcefully deporting hard working people who are being exploited is eluding me.
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They are working hard for cartels and it would be foolish to take their promise they weren't involved.

They can be deported and come in the right way like all LEGAL immigrants do.
 
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