L.A. police look for ex-cop suspected in shootings

[JackFrost]

Try not to draw any conclusions about this without knowing ALL the facts

Not defending nor crucifying, the shoot.

I see...so you want to wait for the investigation to conclude...which I might add will be performed by themselves...and then draw conclusions from that...

Yo ric...stop drinking the kool-aid:lol:

 

[BretJ]

I see...so you want to wait for the investigation to conclude...which I might add will be performed by themselves...and then draw conclusions from that...

Yo ric...stop drinking the kool-aid:lol:

I agree with ric27. Give the law enforcement community the same benefit of the doubt you would want to expect from them. Let them investigate it first. Trust but verify. If you naturally assume bias, you always see it whether it truly exists or not.

 

[ric27]

When the police can shoot you just because you're driving a certain type of automobile is it a good thing to turn in your weapons to them? Did they even think to warn the ladies before launching their attack?

Whoa there! Don't get ahead of yourself

The shootings *mistake of fact* where cops shoot an unarmed individual/individuals happen and those cops are not charged or found liable.

It's articulating a reasonable cause for firing the shots at the truck

 

[BretJ]

That's the issue....sounds like a *cop out* the unclear bit whether the badge was legit

In my ******** suspension or being terminated, your ID, shield and authorized guns are removed and not permitted to have an *extra* shield

Regardless, you can buy lookalikes for a few dollars. Most people do not bother to examine a badge in order to determine if it is legit.

 

[JackFrost]

I agree with ric27. Give the law enforcement community the same benefit of the doubt you would want to expect from them. Let them investigate it first. Trust but verify. If you naturally assume bias, you always see it whether it truly exists or not.

Let them investigate themselves...okay:lol:

Clearly no bias there:lol:

 

[Slateriesling]

This has now achieved all of the "worst case scenarios" I feared.

The police are in such fear, they have lost control of themselves. The military needs to intercede. The police are no longer able to handle this situation without corruption or mistakes. I now have no doubt that Dorners' accusations were true.

 

[BretJ]

Let them investigate themselves...okay:lol:

They try to have processes in place to counter any bias on their part during the investigative process.

Clearly no bias there:lol:

I will assume that until proven otherwise.

You either trust people to do their job and do the right thing unless proven otherwise or you don't trust them regardless of any proof. You obviously assume the latter.:roll:

 

[SMTA]

According to reports I have read there was no warning.

It should be noted that in the incident the cops also shot other vehicles in the neighborhood as well as a few houses.
Dorner manhunt: LAPD gunfire hits Torrance homes, cars - latimes.com
Women Delivering Newspapers Shot in Search for Dorner | KTLA 5

Highly trained professionals my ass.

These clowns are shooting a vehicle based on a loose description only, in the dark, without having any probable cause, without identifying the occupants, without identifying a real threat, having received no fire first.

The LAPD can go straight to Hell.

The pro-gun civilians who I know are much more disciplined and a lot more intelligent than these idiot cops.

 

[ric27]

Highly trained professionals my ass.

These clowns are shooting a vehicle based on a loose description only, in the dark, without having any probable cause, without identifying the occupants, without identifying a real threat, having received no fire first.

The LAPD can go straight to Hell.

The pro-gun civilians who I know are much more disciplined and a lot more intelligent than these idiot cops.

Seems to me, the media wants you to believe that LAPD proceeded up behind the vehicle & went ****tard on it.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Seems to me, the media wants you to believe that LAPD proceeded up behind the vehicle & went ****tard on it.

MM... could be. What actually happened, then? How is it that a vehicle containing innocents was shot up?

 

[SMTA]

Seems to me, the media wants you to believe that LAPD proceeded up behind the vehicle & went ****tard on it.

The LAPD has vied with NYPD for years for the most corrupted agency.

The LAPD well deserves any disdain they receive.

If you want to be an apologist for the LAPD, knock yourself out.

The LAPD can still go straight to Hell.

 

[BretJ]

Seems to me, the media wants you to believe that LAPD proceeded up behind the vehicle & went ****tard on it.

Sounds like they went full **tard. You never want to go full **tard.

 

[ric27]

MM... could be. What actually happened, then? How is it that a vehicle containing innocents was shot up?

Get serious...

Where you sit it is a ****ty shooting *double S*. However, the only thing that will add up is what the DA or review board rules.

 

[ric27]

The LAPD has vied with NYPD for years for the most corrupted agency.

The LAPD well deserves any disdain they receive.

If you want to be an apologist for the LAPD, knock yourself out.

The LAPD can still go straight to Hell.

Sounds like they went full **tard. You never want to go full **tard.

Running off without facts does no good and those facts will be determined by a systematic search for the truth/facts

 

[Dittohead not!]

Running off without facts does no good and those facts will be determined by a systematic search for the truth/facts

I'm sure the women in that van that was shot up will be interested in the facts that remain to be determined.

 

[SMTA]

I'm sure the women in that van that was shot up will be interested in the facts that remain to be determined.

Yeah, no ****.

 

[JackFrost]

I will assume that until proven otherwise.

You either trust people to do their job and do the right thing unless proven otherwise or you don't trust them regardless of any proof. You obviously assume the latter.:roll:

1. I trust LAPD to do their job...which includes a standard policy of shoot first, and fabricate a reason later.

2. Proof? What proof are you talking about?

 

[SMTA]

I will assume that until proven otherwise.

You either trust people to do their job and do the right thing unless proven otherwise or you don't trust them regardless of any proof. You obviously assume the latter.:roll:

I don't trust them at all - their pathetic history deserves my skepticism.

Firing 19 rounds into a truck driven by 2 women delivering papers just because the truck is a similar color!?

Complete bull****, and a total failure.

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't trust them at all - their pathetic history deserves my skepticism.

Firing 19 rounds into a truck driven by 2 women delivering papers just because the truck is a similar color!?

Complete bull****, and a total failure.

and our gun hating lefties only want cops to be armed because they are more responsible and trustworthy than the supreme sovereign (the people)

 

[ric27]

1. I trust LAPD to do their job...which includes a standard policy of shoot first, and fabricate a reason later.

2. Proof? What proof are you talking about?

I don't trust them at all - their pathetic history deserves my skepticism.

Firing 19 rounds into a truck driven by 2 women delivering papers just because the truck is a similar color!?

Complete bull****, and a total failure.

Both are debating a shooting that none of us *including me* knows the details on.

Sounds like ya'll made up your minds before an investigation takes place

Now, before both continue with your bs rants

Case law -- McLenagan v. Karnes....google it

***We will not second-guess the split-second judgment of a trained police officer merely because that judgment turns out to be mistaken, particularly where inaction could have resulted in death or serious injury to the officer and others. Although it is extremely unfortunate that McLenagan was seriously injured, § 1983 does not purport to redress injuries resulting from reasonable mistakes.***

 

[JackFrost]

Case law -- McLenagan v. Karnes....google it

***We will not second-guess

Yes, exactly, this is all that matters. It is a free pass to shoot anyone they want with no repercussions. Oh, if you consider a paid vacation and having to lay low until things can calm down, then yeah...poor babies.

 

[ric27]

Yes, exactly, this is all that matters. It is a free pass to shoot anyone they want with no repercussions. Oh, if you consider a paid vacation and having to lay low until things can calm down, then yeah...poor babies.

Once again....another ignorant post :roll:


I'll tell you a phrase... a magical phrase. It's called, the *totality of the circumstances*.

Look it up and educate yourself

 

[SMTA]

Both are debating a shooting that none of us *including me* knows the details on.

Sounds like ya'll made up your minds before an investigation takes place

Now, before both continue with your bs rants

Case law -- McLenagan v. Karnes....google it

***We will not second-guess the split-second judgment of a trained police officer merely because that judgment turns out to be mistaken, particularly where inaction could have resulted in death or serious injury to the officer and others. Although it is extremely unfortunate that McLenagan was seriously injured, § 1983 does not purport to redress injuries resulting from reasonable mistakes.***

If it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, and acts like a duck, it is a duck.

I understand case law.

I also understand that the law is not black and white, but various shades of gray - or Blue in this case.

Bull**** decisions are bull**** decisions, no matter how you justify them.

Screw the LAPD.

They are running around undisciplined, scared, and making bad decisions.

Professional training my ass.

 

[ric27]

If it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, and acts like a duck, it is a duck.

I understand case law.

I also understand that the law is not black and white, but various shades of gray - or Blue in this case.

Bull**** decisions are bull**** decisions, no matter how you justify them.

Screw the LAPD.

They are running around undisciplined, scared, and making bad decisions.

Professional training my ass.

Graham vs Connor ....google it

Cops in such conditions are judged on the standard of objective reasonableness in view of the totality of the circumstances known to them at the time - not second-guessed by someone who has all the facts several days later

 

[Somerville]

I would say that no one should have been driving a pickup in Los Angeles before they found Dorner's truck burned out in the Big Bear area

The second shooting involved Torrance police officers, who were stationed nearby in the event LAPD needed them. When the officers heard the gunshots, they headed toward (the area where the two women were shot).

At that point, a driver in another pickup truck that look similar to Dorner's drove toward them on Flagler Lane near Beryl Street. Officers, suspecting it was Dorner, purposely collided with the truck and shot at him.

The driver wasn't hurt, avoiding bullets that had ripped through his windshield.
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Torrance police Sgt. Chris Roosen said the officers were unhurt. He thanked the driver for cooperating in the investigation.

Officers did not identify the driver. Records showed the 2006 Honda pickup truck was registered to Lizzette Perdue of Redondo Beach. Purdue declined to talk to a reporter about who was driving her truck.

I wonder who will be paying for the damage to the truck