Kurtz beginning to see what the MSM is and has become since leaving CNN

[Grim17]

It's amazing what happens when reporters or journalist for main stream news outlets like ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, end up leaving those networks and either strike out on their own, or end up joining the Fox team. It seems to either usher in clarity that they were incapable of grasping before, or allows them to express the truth about the bias that exists in the main stream news media, that would have made them outcasts to their former colleagues.

People like Bernard Goldberg, Lou Dobbs, Geraldo Rivera, Juan Williams and Cheryl Adkisson come to mind... Now add former CNN veteran Howard Kurtz to the list of former MSM icons who have finally expressed, or have come to the reality, that the MSM promotes the liberal agenda, rather than reporting the news from an impartial perspective like they claim to do, but aren't.

 

[CMPancake]

You mean to tell me the media's perception of the world has changed with the culture? What a shocking insight.

 

[iliveonramen]

There's good money to be made in leaving the mainstream media and bashing it 24/7 on Fox News. Seems like it's more of a result of a financial incentive than anything else.

It reminds me of the Onion article "Black Man in Support of Confederate Flag Triples his Media Appearance Rates".

 

[catch22]

Just because the mainstream media is left of your political views, doesn't mean that it is left leaning. I'm pretty moderate on most issues and the mainstream media is not biased at all on most issues (besides ssm).

 

[bubbabgone]

You mean to tell me the media's perception of the world has changed with the culture? What a shocking insight.

There's good money to be made in leaving the mainstream media and bashing it 24/7 on Fox News. Seems like it's more of a result of a financial incentive than anything else.

It reminds me of the Onion article "Black Man in Support of Confederate Flag Triples his Media Appearance Rates".

Just because the mainstream media is left of your political views, doesn't mean that it is left leaning. I'm pretty moderate on most issues and the mainstream media is not biased at all on most issues (besides ssm).

 

[tres borrachos]

HAHAH classic picture. :lol:

 

[pbrauer]

It's amazing what happens when reporters or journalist for main stream news outlets like ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, end up leaving those networks and either strike out on their own, or end up joining the Fox team. It seems to either usher in clarity that they were incapable of grasping before, or allows them to express the truth about the bias that exists in the main stream news media, that would have made them outcasts to their former colleagues.

People like Bernard Goldberg, Lou Dobbs, Geraldo Rivera, Juan Williams and Cheryl Adkisson come to mind... Now add former CNN veteran Howard Kurtz to the list of former MSM icons who have finally expressed, or have come to the reality, that the MSM promotes the liberal agenda, rather than reporting the news from an impartial perspective like they claim to do, but aren't.

I see, you don't think people do things to satify their employer. Fox News lost the battle for SSM, so they put Kurtz out there to say the battle for SSM should be fair and balanced just like they are. Right?!

Kurtz said the media wasn't writing about the losers in the SSN battle. I don't know if that is true, however the decision by SCOTUS doesn't affect them at all, those who say they lost religious liberty are bull****ing you, the decision doesn't change their beliefs one iota. There are religions who don't believe in war, yet we still go to war and it doesn't change their beliefs.

BTW, Lou Dobbs and Sharyl Attkisson were write before they went to Fox.

 

[iliveonramen]

So 5 people leave and get gigs on Fox News badmouthing the rest of the media and it's us sticking our head in the ground?

 

[bubbabgone]

So 5 people leave and get gigs on Fox News badmouthing the rest of the media and it's us sticking our head in the ground?

Yes. If you're serious. Yes it is.

 

[iliveonramen]

Yes. If you're serious. Yes it is.

Really? How many people work in the mainstream media? The list provided by the OP includes a multiple people that left for gigs at Fox News or people that make their living bashing the "liberal media".

Are those the only conservatives that work int he mainstream media? Because that's a really small sample of individuals and the only variable that tends to tie them together is that they get paid by Fox to bash the media as liberal.

 

[Grim17]

First, please say hello to your friends on post #5...

I see, you don't think people do things to satify their employer. Fox News lost the battle for SSM, so they put Kurtz out there to say the battle for SSM should be fair and balanced just like they are. Right?!

1. Are you implying that Kurtz doesn't believe what he said and manufactured that opinion just to satisfy what you believe his bosses would approve of? If so, then please substantiate that belief.

2. I wasn't aware that News Corp had taken a stand and was advocating against SSM... Can you link me to a press release or something that verifies the companies opposition?

3. Why are you opposed to the news media reporting both sides of an issue, and doing so fairly? Does this violate the tenets of your political ideology?

Kurtz said the media wasn't writing about the losers in the SSN battle. I don't know if that is true,

If you don't know if what he said is true or not, then why in the hell are you commenting on the topic?

however the decision by SCOTUS doesn't affect them at all, those who say they lost religious liberty are bull****ing you, the decision doesn't change their beliefs one iota. There are religions who don't believe in war, yet we still go to war and it doesn't change their beliefs.

Are you the official spokesperson for people of faith in America, or are you just voicing a completely baseless opinion about the feelings and beliefs of others because it works to promote the liberal agenda?

BTW, Lou Dobbs and Sharyl Attkisson were write before they went to Fox.

If you are talking about their personal political philosophies, then could you link me to a quote from either of them that substantiates that they are in fact conservative at heart?

If you are speaking based on their performance over the years in the news media, then I have to disagree. Adkisson won awards and was praised by her peers, co-workers and her bosses for exposing corruption in the Bush administration. When she did the same thing during Obama's presidency, she became a trouble maker and an outcast at CBS, which directly led to her departing the network.

As for Lou Dobbs, he was a newsman for many years and one CNN's founding news anchors. He was well respected in the news media because of his ability to remain a neutral observer in his reporting. The various views he's expressed over the years have supported both sides of the political spectrum. He opposed the Bush tax cuts, opposed NAFTA and is an outspoken critic of big business/corporate influence on public policy. It was of course his views against illegal immigration that lead to the tension between himself and upper management, which ultimately led to his departure from CNN.

Nice talking points Pete, but you should tell your handler over at Media Matters that he needs to come up with some fresh BS for you to spew, because that crap just isn't cutting it.

btw, Sharyl Adkisson going to Fox is news to me.

 

[Grim17]

So 5 people leave and get gigs on Fox News badmouthing the rest of the media and it's us sticking our head in the ground?

Are you implying that what Kurtz said is not true?

If so, then please support that belief with some facts.... If not, then explain to me how telling the truth about the media without singling anyone out specifically as Kurtz did, equates to "bad mouthing" and essentially attacking the media?

 

[iliveonramen]

Are you implying that what Kurtz said is not true?

If so, then please support that belief with some facts.... If not, then explain to me how telling the truth about the media without singling anyone out specifically as Kurtz did, equates to "bad mouthing" and essentially attacking the media?

It's hard to take his comments about bubble and balance when he's making them on Fox News. It's difficult to find a tighter bubble with less balance.

I also responded to the "trend" overall of journalist (the 5 you mention) leaving the mainstream media and saying it is in the tank for Liberals. I was responding to your OP not the video.

As for refuting what he says...it's tough to do because it's his opinions with no facts to refute or counter with....

 

[bubbabgone]

Really? How many people work in the mainstream media? The list provided by the OP includes a multiple people that left for gigs at Fox News or people that make their living bashing the "liberal media".

Are those the only conservatives that work int he mainstream media? Because that's a really small sample of individuals and the only variable that tends to tie them together is that they get paid by Fox to bash the media as liberal.

I don't follow your train of thought.
If you're concluding the mainstream media does not lean left because only a handful left for FOX and talked about its left-lean then I'm afraid that logic link is vapor.

 

[roughdraft274]

Give me the same money that Fox is paying Kurtz and I'll tell you what you want to hear.

Even if all of these people are honest and sincere in their new found convictions, it doesn't make them accurate... :shrug:

 

[pbrauer]

First, please say hello to your friends on post #5...




1. Are you implying that Kurtz doesn't believe what he said and manufactured that opinion just to satisfy what you believe his bosses would approve of? If so, then please substantiate that belief.

2. I wasn't aware that News Corp had taken a stand and was advocating against SSM... Can you link me to a press release or something that verifies the companies opposition?

3. Why are you opposed to the news media reporting both sides of an issue, and doing so fairly? Does this violate the tenets of your political ideology?




If you don't know if what he said is true or not, then why in the hell are you commenting on the topic?




Are you the official spokesperson for people of faith in America, or are you just voicing a completely baseless opinion about the feelings and beliefs of others because it works to promote the liberal agenda?



If you are talking about their personal political philosophies, then could you link me to a quote from either of them that substantiates that they are in fact conservative at heart?

If you are speaking based on their performance over the years in the news media, then I have to disagree. Adkisson won awards and was praised by her peers, co-workers and her bosses for exposing corruption in the Bush administration. When she did the same thing during Obama's presidency, she became a trouble maker and an outcast at CBS, which directly led to her departing the network.

Nice talking points Pete, but you should tell your handler over at Media Matters that he needs to come up with some fresh BS for you to spew, because that crap just isn't cutting it.

btw, Sharyl Adkisson going to Fox is news to me.

1. Are you implying that Kurtz doesn't believe what he said and manufactured that opinion just to satisfy what you believe his bosses would approve of? If so, then please substantiate that belief.

How does someone substaniate their own belief? Yes, I believe Kurtz either consciously or subconsciously is trying to satisfy his boss, we all brown nose the boss.​

2. I wasn't aware that News Corp had taken a stand and was advocating against SSM... Can you link me to a press release or something that verifies the companies opposition?

I wasn't talking about the parent company, I was talking about Fox News. You knew it.​

3. Why are you opposed to the news media reporting both sides of an issue, and doing so fairly? Does this violate the tenets of your political ideology?

I am not against both sides being covered. What is fair? The SCOTUS decision on SSM affected those who agrees with it the most, while those who were against it was affected little if any at all. Their religious liberty remains intactl.​

Are you the official spokesperson for people of faith in America, or are you just voicing a completely baseless opinion about the feelings and beliefs of others because it works to promote the liberal agenda?

Nope, just voicing an opinion.​

If you are talking about their personal political philosophies, then could you link me to a quote from either of them that substantiates that they are in fact conservative at heart?

If you are speaking based on their performance over the years in the news media, then I have to disagree. Adkisson won awards and was praised by her peers, co-workers and her bosses for exposing corruption in the Bush administration. When she did the same thing during Obama's presidency, she became a trouble maker and an outcast at CBS, which directly led to her departing the network.

As for Lou Dobbs, he was a newsman for many years and one CNN's founding news anchors. He was well respected in the news media because of his ability to remain a neutral observer in his reporting. The various views he's expressed over the years have supported both sides of the political spectrum. He opposed the Bush tax cuts, opposed NAFTA and is an outspoken critic of big business/corporate influence on public policy. It was of course his views against illegal immigration that lead to the tension between himself and upper management, which ultimately led to his departure from CNN.

Sharyl Attkisson bought into the whole Benghazi falsehoods. And she now works at the Daily Signal wich is connected to the conservative Heritage Foundation.​

Nice talking points Pete, but you should tell your handler over at Media Matters that he needs to come up with some fresh BS for you to spew, because that crap just isn't cutting it.

btw, Sharyl Adkisson going to Fox is news to me.

You were the one who brought her name up.​

 

[Grim17]

It's hard to take his comments about bubble and balance when he's making them on Fox News. It's difficult to find a tighter bubble with less balance.

Again I have to ask, are you implying that what Kurtz said about the MSM coverage of SSM and gay rights issues in general, was fabricated or isn't true?

I also responded to the "trend" overall of journalist (the 5 you mention) leaving the mainstream media and saying it is in the tank for Liberals. I was responding to your OP not the video.

You call it a trend, but just look at what brought those 5 people to speak out about the liberal bias in the MSM:

Goldberg went from a star reporter and personal friend of Dan Rather's, to the network pariah at CBS News when he acknowledged that liberal bias permeated the network and the MSM in general in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. That was nearly 20 years ago and to this day, Dan Rather has never spoken to him since the day that article was published. He couldn't take it anymore and finally left the network in 2000 when his contract expired.

Dobbs left CNN because of the grief he received from management over his opposition to illegal immigration... A stand in direct conflict with the liberal ideology. Funny how he never received grief from network executives over his outspoken opposition to the Bush tax cuts, to NAFTA, or his hard line stand with the wall street protestors against big business.

Rivera won a Peabody award in 1972 for his investigative report exposing abuse of kids with disabilities at Willowbrook State School in NY and became a household name on ABC and the hottest commodity on network news from the mid 70's to mid 80's. He was praised for his fearless reporting and undercover expose's he did for the network, including being the man who uncovered the true cause of Elvis Presley's death. When an investigative reporter at ABC produced an hour long special in 1985 based on smoking gun evidence proving that democrats John and Bobby Kennedy both had elicit affairs with Marilyn Monroe, and the network refused to air the program because of the ties and personal relationships that some at ABC had with the Kennedy's and their people, Rivera was livid. He publicly criticized the decision and questioned (rightly I might add) the journalistic integrity of the network. That led to him being fired shortly after.

Williams was a long time journalist for NPR that was in good standing with the network. Like several other NPR journalist like Cokie Roberts and Nina Totenberg, Williams also worked part time as a contributor on a TV news network. But Williams was treated differently than all the others by the NPR brass, because the network he appeared on was Fox News. Williams received a lot of grief at NPR because he appeared on what they considered the enemy network, Fox News, and they didn't like it one bit. NPR eventually fired Williams and did so based on totally bogus grounds. NPR took something he said about Muslim's on O'Reilly's program totally out of context in order to justify firing him. Both the out of context quote, as well as the actual reason for his firing had one thing in common... a non-conformity with the liberal agenda.

Adkisson was a 23 year veteran investigative reporter for CBS News who won several awards, received praise by her peers, co-workers and the network brass for her hard hitting stories exposing government corruption in the Bush administration. When she did the same kind of hard hitting investigative reports exposing corruption in the Obama Administration, she quickly went from being praised by her co-workers and the CBS brass, to an outcast who was viewed as a trouble maker. The network began shelving her reports on government corruption and wrong doing, and began pressuring her to back off of stories involving the Obama Administration. She quickly found herself out of the loop with the network brass and her bosses in the newsroom, and her stories were no longer given consideration for broadcast. She became such an outcast for pursuing stories that showed the Obama Administration in a negative light, that she chose to leave the network when her contract expired.

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[Grim17]

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There is a trend here all right, but it isn't some overblown media fad, where it's all of the sudden trendy to claim the existence of bias to trash the main stream news media. The trend that led to those 5 people publically claiming there's a liberal bias within the MSM, was the liberal bias that each of them witnessed and experienced first hand, as once respected members of that very same main stream news media.


Now I ask you, are you really going to claim that those people pointing out the liberal bias that exists in the MSM, amounts to nothing more than manufactured hype generated by Fox News to push some political or financial agenda?

As for refuting what he says...it's tough to do because it's his opinions with no facts to refute or counter with....

Ever heard of YouTube, or visited a network website?


The facts are there for the taking... all you need is a willingness and desire to find them.

 

[fmw]

There's good money to be made in leaving the mainstream media and bashing it 24/7 on Fox News.

I guess Fox is lucky to be able to avoid getting bashed.

 

[Ockham]

It's important for us to recognize, that there are other points of view even if they are not folks in your social circles, and that we ought to treat those people with dignity and respect, and we should have some sort of balance in our coverage which I just see lacking over the last week and the last few weeks when it comes to these issues. And this is why a lot of people hate the media. It's not that everyone out there are going to agree with everything we journalists do in terms of reporting and commentary and analysis. It's that we seem to marginalize them in too many cases, and I think that is a real problem with the news business.

The issue is balanced coverage. How many outlets had news pieces or gave equal time coverage to those who were NOT in favor of gay marriage, or in favor of ripping down the confederate flag and provided a serious alternative view to the mainstream view? The media is no longer about news but about coverage and the type of coverage they provide pro or con. Instead of stating facts they choose a side and state THOSE facts. Marginalize is exactly the right word.

 

[iliveonramen]

I don't follow your train of thought.
If you're concluding the mainstream media does not lean left because only a handful left for FOX and talked about its left-lean then I'm afraid that logic link is vapor.

I'm not saying it disproves that the mainstream media leans left, I'm stating that 5 people out of (tens of thousands?) leaving the mainstream media and getting paid gigs on Fox News talking about the "Librul Media" doesn't prove the media leans left.

If the view is "mainstream media leans left because of these what these 5 people said" I would say that's faulty logic and a severe lack of proof even before you take into account the profit motive.

 

[iliveonramen]

Again I have to ask, are you implying that what Kurtz said about the MSM coverage of SSM and gay rights issues in general, was fabricated or isn't true?

.

Yes, I think it's very selective. The majority of the US (around 60% last poll I saw) is for Gay Marriage. It's also a big event. I'm not sure what the media is supposed to do. It's not really a "debate" at this point. Gay Marriage is the law of the land and some people disagree with that, but I'm not sure what would make the coverage "balanced"....show some holdouts? People that won't accept reality?

 

[bubbabgone]

I'm not saying it disproves that the mainstream media leans left, I'm stating that 5 people out of (tens of thousands?) leaving the mainstream media and getting paid gigs on Fox News talking about the "Librul Media" doesn't prove the media leans left.

If the view is "mainstream media leans left because of these what these 5 people said" I would say that's faulty logic and a severe lack of proof even before you take into account the profit motive.

Forget about these 5.
Have you perceived a rightward lean in FOX?
Have you perceived a leftward lean in the mainstream media?

 

[iliveonramen]

Forget about these 5.
Have you perceived a rightward lean in FOX?

Yes

Have you perceived a leftward lean in the mainstream media?

Depends, on some issues? Sure, on others? Hell no
The media isn't some Democratic Party owned institutions. It's an institution owned by massive corporations. That is what guides them.

Was it very Liberal when they played cheerleader to the war in Iraq? How about economic issues? They may lean left when it comes to social issues but that's because most major corporations do. They are more Libertarian than Liberal.

 

[bubbabgone]

Yes

Depends, on some issues? Sure, on others? Hell no
The media isn't some Democratic Party owned institutions. It's an institution owned by massive corporations. That is what guides them.

Was it very Liberal when they played cheerleader to the war in Iraq? How about economic issues? They may lean left when it comes to social issues but that's because most major corporations do. They are more Libertarian than Liberal.

I'm afraid you've just exposed where you're coming from but it needed to be determined for certain.