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Tell Xerox and others:
http://www.xerox.com/downloads/usa/en/i/ir_Code_of_Conduct_EmployeeHandbook.pdf
Not sure it's that cut-and-dried.
I hope he sues the everlovin **** out them for this.
do you know what their code of ethics states?
Funny how Free Speech works when he works for THE GOV'T!
That's how free speech works when you work anywhere. If your employee believes that your actions may damage their reputation they are not only within their legal right to FIRE you, it is essential that they do to set an example.
I hope he sues the everlovin **** out them for this.
"He said, 'This is America,' and he wanted to stand up for it, in a Tea Party kind of way," a police source said.
So now bigots are a protected class??
Teachers, cops, get booted for behavior outside of work. As do other public sector employees. You do something off-hours that raises questions about your character or ability to perform your job, then sure, here's your pink slip, asshole, have a nice life.
Is it so hard to understand why we don't want someone whose rage toward Muslims is that out of control working for the transit dept.?? Please tell us you are able to wrap your head around that one...
Oops... did he just say burning the Koran is the Tea Party way???
:3oops::3oops:
So now bigots are a protected class??
I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
The guy was an idiot for burning the koran. It's a meaningless gesture, and he had to know it wasn't going to go over well with people.
That said, he absolutely has the right to do it. And although his firing was probably legal, it's still wrong. Hopefully he sues and wins.
It doesn't matter what he said. He could have burned the American flag, and I would still be against his firing if he was. You can't be fired for practicing one of your rights off duty when you work for the government. End of story.
I'm not sure I agree. You have the right to say what you want, but do you have the right to your job? Yes, it might be morally despicable to fire an otherwise good employee for their off-duty behavior, but a violation of rights? Is there a right to work?
If this were a private sector job I'd be more sure on my opinion, but it is a public sector job so this puts me in the "Hrm, not sure" category.
So now bigots are a protected class??
Teachers, cops, get booted for behavior outside of work. As do other public sector employees. You do something off-hours that raises questions about your character or ability to perform your job, then sure, here's your pink slip, asshole, have a nice life.
Is it so hard to understand why we don't want someone whose rage toward Muslims is that out of control working for the transit dept.?? Please tell us you are able to wrap your head around that one...
It doesn't matter what he said. He could have burned the American flag, and I would still be against his firing if he was. You can't be fired for practicing one of your rights off duty when you work for the government. End of story.
They can if they sign a contract (ie - saying they agree with NJ Transit Code of Ethics) when they first got the job.And yet you're completely wrong. The government cannot fire employees for engaging in protected speech. This is absolutely indisputable. The only question here is whether this particular speech is protected, and I think the evidence strongly indicates that it is.
If you can't be bothered to read the links that have been provided to you or the explanations that have been proffered, I don't know what to tell you.
And yet you're completely wrong. The government cannot fire employees for engaging in protected speech. This is absolutely indisputable. The only question here is whether this particular speech is protected, and I think the evidence strongly indicates that it is.
If you can't be bothered to read the links that have been provided to you or the explanations that have been proffered, I don't know what to tell you.
If cops were practicing free expression when they posed for playboy or playgirl, why were they fired? Their actions off duty reflects on the police department and per their professional code of conduct, those actions potentially have consequences.
The relevant First Amendment test for when the government may fire an employee for off-duty expression on a matter of public concern (such as the expression here) is unfortunately quite vague: The government may restrict such speech, but only if the restriction is “necessary for their employers to operate efficiently and effectively” (with “necessary” being read a bit loosely). It’s hard for me to see much of an argument that Fenton’s expression interferes with the employer’s effectiveness by undermining public confidence in the employer; Fenton isn’t a spokesman for the employer, or in a position where the public must be able to count on his fairness in exercising discretion with regard to members of the public (e.g., a police officer).
They can if they sign a contract (ie - saying they agree with NJ Transit Code of Ethics) when they first got the job.
How about reading this one:
H.S. Teacher Loses Job Over Facebook Posting - News Story - WCVB Boston
This teacher was forced to resign from her job for expressing herself on the social networking site Facebook. She did not do it on school time.
There is a level of professionalism to maintain while working as a federally funded employee.
And I'm getting sick of hearing the ignorant flag burning comparison -- the U.S. flag is a special and unique symbol that represents, in part, the freedom to burn it.
Burning the Koran in NYC, a metropolitan city with a big Muslim population is the equivalent of defecating on the Puerto Rican flag or pissing on a crucifix-- it's pushing the boundaries of free speech given the time and place -- the context.
Pipe down, NYC, I skim to the end of the thread and answer the first post directed at me -- like most people. How come I haven't dedicated the last two hours of my life to satisfying you??? I was busy. So chill the frack out.
1) He wasn't fired for engaging in protected speech. He was fired for violating their code of conduct.
2) He was detained and questioned at the scene -- apparently the police thought his actions were bordering on 'yelling fire in a crowded movie house'. Were Muslims present when he did this? How far were they from the location of the proposed cultural center? Could his actions open the floodgates for others to take it a step further?
3) What really hurt him was getting his picture taken. When his name is out there, then his information is out there, and he's the new face of N.J. Transit. That's how he violated their ethics code--a very public act of hate speech. If he was working for a city office in another part of the country, he may not be in trouble.
And I'm getting sick of hearing the ignorant flag burning comparison -- the U.S. flag is a special and unique symbol that represents, in part, the freedom to burn it.
Burning the Koran in NYC, a metropolitan city with a big Muslim population is the equivalent of defecating on the Puerto Rican flag or pissing on a crucifix-- it's pushing the boundaries of free speech given the time and place -- the context.
So you can burn a flag, but not a Koran? Yeah that makes sense. Burning a Koran is protected speech, and to say it isn't is a slap in the face to the Constitution. Also who cares if he burned a Puerto Rican flag, or pissed on a crucifix? Those a protected just the same. And your whole context argument, can go screw itself. You can't be for speech you only like, free speech is in essence protecting unpopular speech, because popular speech doesn't need protecting.
You don't have that right to a job. An employer has the right to choose to terminate an employment agreement at any time. I don't care if it was the government; he wasn't arrested, had his property confiscated, or faced any other civil or criminal penalties. His rights weren't violated. He acted stupidly and is facing the consequences.
So if Bush fired every single federal employee who disagreed with any administration policy, you think that would be constitutional? What if the government fired every Jewish or black employee?
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