King George W. Bush

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Very well then, supply your justification.

Justification for what? All I want is the U.N. report so I can formulate my own opinion not have my opinion formulated for me by some left wing hit squad.

 

[jfuh]

What are you babbling about I asked for the UN report, why don't you answer how that constitutes as an ad-hominem attack? Seriously though this is coming from the guy who claimed that providing the Joint Resolution of Congress authorizing the use of force against Iraq is spin when in actuality saying that the only reason we went into Iraq was because of WMD is the real spin. All you do is spin, that's your thing.

Now you turn the ad hominen onto me. Just non stop irrelvance for you isn't it?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Now you turn the ad hominen onto me. Just non stop irrelvance for you isn't it?

You don't even know what an ad-hominem is because if you did then you would realize that asking for an actual source and not the opinion of a left wing smear site isn't an ad-hominem attack.

A) Billo provided a source which made the claim that a UN report said so and so.

B) I asked Billo to provide the UN report so we could all see what it really says.

C) He refused to do so.

A+B+C=D When D=bullshit.

 

[jfuh]

You don't even know what an ad-hominem is because if you did then you would realize that asking for an actual source and not the opinion of a left wing smear site isn't an ad-hominem attack.

A) Billo provided a source which made the claim that a UN report said so and so.

B) I asked Billo to provide the UN report so we could all see what it really says.

C) He refused to do so.

A+B+C=D When D=bullshit.

Again, this matters to the thread of King George bush how?
Perhaps you have forgotten how to do so? Here, I'll provide you with how, click on the link, it is one of the reasons I use as proof of King George W. Bush.http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1161247,00.html

 

[ludahai]

Again, this matters to the thread of King George bush how?
Perhaps you have forgotten how to do so? Here, I'll provide you with how, click on the link, it is one of the reasons I use as proof of King George W. Bush.http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1161247,00.html

Look, he isn't a "king" He will be out of office in two years. Were he a king, he would be in office for life, or until someone unlawfully desposed him.

Geez!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai
You are the one who needs to produce the primary source document, not a commentary from a leftist website that CLAIMS that this document says this and this. YOU have the burden of proof and you have not met it.

That is not an attack, that is just the truth.

I provided the source of my post. If you object to that, the burden of proof is on you to prove your objection is not frivolous and that it has merit. You have offered no proof that this report should be discounted.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I provided the source of my post. If you object to that, the burden of proof is on you to prove your objection is not frivolous and that it has merit. You have offered no proof that this report should be discounted.

Your failure to provide the original source material is proof enough. It leads one to believe that this UN report either does not exist or does not say what you and truthout says it does. I certainly would not put misquotes past those left wing smear merchants over at truthout.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Your failure to provide the original source material is proof enough. It leads one to believe that this UN report either does not exist or does not say what you and truthout says it does. I certainly would not put misquotes past those left wing smear merchants over at truthout.

It doesn't matter what source I provide. Your planning to trash any that you don't already agree with. Because you don't look at things with an open mind. Your mind is made up and nothing is going to change that. You want to think things are a certain way and your not open minded enough to listen to anything different. This is your problem, not mine.

Again, I ask you to provide your justification for saying they have "misquoted" or are "smear merchants". I provide my reasons. Door doesn't swing both ways, I guess.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It doesn't matter what source I provide. Your planning to trash any that you don't already agree with. Because you don't look at things with an open mind. Your mind is made up and nothing is going to change that. You want to think things are a certain way and your not open minded enough to listen to anything different. This is your problem, not mine.

Again, I ask you to provide your justification for saying they have "misquoted" or are "smear merchants". I provide my reasons. Door doesn't swing both ways, I guess.

Because it's a biased source Billo, it ranks right up there with moveon.org and mediamatters. It's like citing something you heard on air america without actually backing it up. Why don't you just post the UN report Billo?

 

[jfuh]

Look, he isn't a "king" He will be out of office in two years. Were he a king, he would be in office for life, or until someone unlawfully desposed him.

Geez!

Don't play dumb.

 

[jfuh]

Because it's a biased source Billo, it ranks right up there with moveon.org and mediamatters. It's like citing something you heard on air america without actually backing it up. Why don't you just post the UN report Billo?

No response to my post tot? What does this say?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Because it's a biased source Billo, it ranks right up there with moveon.org and mediamatters. It's like citing something you heard on air america without actually backing it up. Why don't you just post the UN report Billo?

If "air america" said the world was round, would you demand proof that it wasn't flat? You need to post the reason why truthout.org cannot be trusted. So far your just saying you don't like the source. And that is not a valid rebuttal.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

If "air america" said the world was round, would you demand proof that it wasn't flat? You need to post the reason why truthout.org cannot be trusted. So far your just saying you don't like the source. And that is not a valid rebuttal.

That's a false analogy if I ever heard one. If I heard on Rush Limbaugh that John Kerry called our troops terrorists you're damn sure I would fact check that before I got on an online forum and started passing it off as fact.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No response to my post tot? What does this say?

I really have nothing to comment on the whole King GWB horseshit, it's a fuc/king joke which is not worth my effort.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
That's a false analogy if I ever heard one. If I heard on Rush Limbaugh that John Kerry called our troops terrorists you're damn sure I would fact check that before I got on an online forum and started passing it off as fact.

You know, this isn't that hard to find if you care to look. But you don't want too, do you?

http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/view01/52E94FB9CBC7DA10C1257117003517B3?opendocument

Now let's get back to your bogus claims of "bias" and "smear merchant". Or are we now going to go into a few rounds of trashing this source. It never ends does it? And it doesn't matter what the source is, you just have one programmed response. And it's not even yours.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You know, this isn't that hard to find if you care to look. But you don't want too, do you?

http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/view01/52E94FB9CBC7DA10C1257117003517B3?opendocument

Now let's get back to your bogus claims of "bias" and "smear merchant". Or are we now going to go into a few rounds of trashing this source. It never ends does it? And it doesn't matter what the source is, you just have one programmed response. And it's not even yours.

First I will start by saying that I really don't take the rulings of the UN human rights commission very seriously at all, and infact I consider them to be a fuc/king joke considering the fact that the Sudan and Cuba sit on that commission and this commission has yet to acknowledge the real human rights abuses now occurring in Delfore where genocide is still the order of the day.

Secondly: This is what your article said:

Last week, the United Nations Human Rights Commission reported that the violent force-feeding of detainees by the US military at its Guantánamo prison camp amounts to torture.

And this is what the actual UN press release said:

They add that force-feeding of competent detainees violates the right to health as well as the ethical duties of any health professionals who may be involved.

See the difference?

 

[jfuh]

I really have nothing to comment on the whole King GWB horseshit, it's a fuc/king joke which is not worth my effort.

So you're posting in this thread because ?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So you're posting in this thread because ?

Because it's a free country sport.

 

[jfuh]

Because it's a free country sport.

So really just pointless and for the sole purpose of argument.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So really just pointless and for the sole purpose of argument.

No I checked into see the latest horseshit posted by the fringe left and then saw Billo there quoting truthout so I figured I'd call him on it.

 

[ludahai]

I knew you had it in you Billo.

You know, this isn't that hard to find if you care to look. But you don't want too, do you?

http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/view01/52E94FB9CBC7DA10C1257117003517B3?opendocument

The interrogation techniques authorized by the Department of Defense, particularly if used simultaneously, amount to degrading treatment. If in individual cases, which were described in interviews, the victim experienced severe pain or suffering, these acts amounted to torture as defined in article 1 of the Convention against Torture.

Seem to be a lot of ifs in there to be taken as authoritative. No evidence in that document of violation of international law. Just a bunch of allegations and suppositions.

For use of information media; not an official record

Hmmmm......

 

[ludahai]

No I checked into see the latest horseshit posted by the fringe left and then saw Billo there quoting truthout so I figured I'd call him on it.

And we were right to.

Surprise, surprise. Truthout (sic) overstated what was in the report.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai
Seem to be a lot of ifs in there to be taken as authoritative. No evidence in that document of violation of international law. Just a bunch of allegations and suppositions.

Here's an if for you, if we were obeying the law, why didn't we let the UN envoy see the detainees. How about you posting some proof of what you're saying?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai
Seem to be a lot of ifs in there to be taken as authoritative. No evidence in that document of violation of international law. Just a bunch of allegations and suppositions.

Here's an if for you, if we were obeying the law, why didn't we let the UN envoy see the detainees. How about you posting some proof of what you're saying?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
No I checked into see the latest horseshit posted by the fringe left and then saw Billo there quoting truthout so I figured I'd call him on it.

What the hell are you talking about? The article wasn't to far off from that UN report. So where was the smear? And what was the point? The UN has come out and publically denounced GITMO and requested that it be shut down. It's a black mark on this country but you don't seem to care about that. You also don't care that we tortured 260 people that we later released with no explanation. I bet that doesn't matter either.