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Kim does it again!

Fletch said:
Seeing as how we have been in a state of war with NK since 1950, and the 12 presidents who came before Trump were able to accomplish nothing with regard to NK, not sure why everybody is attacking Trump. To his credit, Trump tried a different approach with KIm but that seems to have worked little better than the other approach. NK is a nuclear power so our options are limited. Personally, I think Trump failed because he continued with the demands of his predecessors. Trump should accept the obvious--that Kim has nukes and will not give them up-and tie sanctions relief to an improvement in NK human rights record.
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Trump is getting criticized, because not only did he give NK state news footage Kim craved, he completely lied upon returning from the summit. Trump said the nuclear threat was over, and it wasn’t. He said he was in love with Kim, and they wrote love letters. Kim doesn’t seem to love Trump in return, and Kim never had any intentions of giving up nukes.

Trump has zero political experience, and interacts with the world on a level of naïveté and ignorance we have never seen. I know you want to make excuse after excuse for him, but Trump constantly does this. He pulled American support from the Kurds, he trusts Putin and Saudi tyrants over US intelligence, he accuses Justin Trudeau and the Canadians are trying to burn down the White House and being an international threat to America, and he constantly says dumb stuff in front of the world. The man is clearly ignorant about the world, about American history, and about the US Constitution.
 
JustHanging said:
Yet another bunch of nonsensical claims without a shred of evidence other than you espousing your little fantasies. You said you know you have the burden of proof. Prove it.
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How am I supposed to prove something that never happened.

Trump stopped the NK from launching ICBM and met with Kim to agree to denuclearize. I didn't see a single person there from the UN. Did you?

Trump went into Syria when they started gassing their own people. I didn't see or hear about a single person from the UN. Did you?

Trump provided lethal arms to Ukraine. I didn't see or hear about a single person from the UN. Did you?

ANd you can post all of your Liberal whinny ass reporters you want. But at the end of the day,

The UN has been told years before Trump ever got there that the US isn't going to foot 1/5-1/3 of the UN expenses any more as far back as 2000.

AFTER LONG FIGHT, U.N. AGREES TO CUT DUES PAID BY U.S. - The New York Times

Trump is making it clear the US isn't going to be carrying the UN financially. They laughed at him. Fine. They aren't laughing now, are they.

UN chief warns may not have enough money to pay staff next month
 
Condor060 said:
How am I supposed to prove something that never happened.

Trump stopped the NK from launching ICBM and met with Kim to agree to denuclearize. I didn't see a single person there from the UN. Did you?

Trump went into Syria when they started gassing their own people. I didn't see or hear about a single person from the UN. Did you?

Trump provided lethal arms to Ukraine. I didn't see or hear about a single person from the UN. Did you?

ANd you can post all of your Liberal whinny ass reporters you want. But at the end of the day,

The UN has been told years before Trump ever got there that the US isn't going to foot 1/5-1/3 of the UN expenses any more as far back as 2000.

AFTER LONG FIGHT, U.N. AGREES TO CUT DUES PAID BY U.S. - The New York Times

Trump is making it clear the US isn't going to be carrying the UN financially. They laughed at him. Fine. They aren't laughing now, are they.

UN chief warns may not have enough money to pay staff next month
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Given the recent news, it seems that Trump stopped Kim from doing nothing st all. I give him credit for trying, but I wouldn't call it a success.
 
rocket88 said:
Given the recent news, it seems that Trump stopped Kim from doing nothing st all. I give him credit for trying, but I wouldn't call it a success.
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How many ICBM's has Kim launched since Trump stopped him?
 
rocket88 said:
Don't hurt youraelf miving those goalposts .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-have-carried-out-very-important-rocket-test/

Tevhnically an ICBM? No, but rocket testing has not ended.
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Testing short range rockets was never part of any agreement. It never has been. He can test all the artillery and rockets he wants.

Try again.

How many short range rockets was he firing over Japan? Nada.
How many short range rockets will carry a nuclear warhead to the US? NADA
Trump stopped the testing inter continental ballistic missiles.

Nobody ever said anything about stopping short range battlefield rockets, jet aircraft, non nuclear bombs, guns, grenades, AAA, or anything else. Just ICBM's.

When he launches one of those, get back to me.
 
Condor060 said:
Testing short range rockets was never part of any agreement. It never has been. He can test all the artillery and rockets he wants.

Try again.

How many short range rockets was he firing over Japan? Nada.
How many short range rockets will carry a nuclear warhead to the US? NADA
Trump stopped the testing inter continental ballistic missiles.

Nobody ever said anything about stopping short range battlefield rockets, jet aircraft, non nuclear bombs, guns, grenades, AAA, or anything else. Just ICBM's.

When he launches one of those, get back to me.
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Is there a copy of the “agreement” you are referencing?
 
Rexedgar said:
Is there a copy of the “agreement” you are referencing?
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Does the fact that Kim launched 23 missiles in 2017, and as of November of 2017, not a single ICBM has been launched and not a single Nuclear weapon has been detonated. Trumps requirement of Kim was no ICBM's flying and no nuclear weapons being detonated before Trump would recall his Navy force or sit down with Kim.

Kim not only stopped all ICBM launches but stopped all detonations. He never threatened Kim about testing any battlefield weapons. Nobody cares about his short range equipment.
 
Condor060 said:
Does the fact that Kim launched 23 missiles in 2017, and as of November of 2017, not a single ICBM has been launched and not a single Nuclear weapon has been detonated. Trumps requirement of Kim was no ICBM's flying and no nuclear weapons being detonated before Trump would recall his Navy force or sit down with Kim.

Kim not only stopped all ICBM launches but stopped all detonations. He never threatened Kim about testing any battlefield weapons. Nobody cares about his short range equipment.
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Where is the “agreement” you spoke of?
 
Condor060 said:
Testing short range rockets was never part of any agreement. It never has been. He can test all the artillery and rockets he wants.

Try again.

How many short range rockets was he firing over Japan? Nada.
How many short range rockets will carry a nuclear warhead to the US? NADA
Trump stopped the testing inter continental ballistic missiles.

Nobody ever said anything about stopping short range battlefield rockets, jet aircraft, non nuclear bombs, guns, grenades, AAA, or anything else. Just ICBM's.

When he launches one of those, get back to me.
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Then it wasn't much of an agreement, was it?

Why do you want to make excuses for Kim?
 
SheWolf said:
Trump is getting criticized, because not only did he give NK state news footage Kim craved, he completely lied upon returning from the summit. Trump said the nuclear threat was over, and it wasn’t. He said he was in love with Kim, and they wrote love letters. Kim doesn’t seem to love Trump in return, and Kim never had any intentions of giving up nukes.

Trump has zero political experience, and interacts with the world on a level of naïveté and ignorance we have never seen. I know you want to make excuse after excuse for him, but Trump constantly does this. He pulled American support from the Kurds, he trusts Putin and Saudi tyrants over US intelligence, he accuses Justin Trudeau and the Canadians are trying to burn down the White House and being an international threat to America, and he constantly says dumb stuff in front of the world. The man is clearly ignorant about the world, about American history, and about the US Constitution.
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First of all, you dont seem to know the difference between a lie and simply being wrong about something. Second, Trump is a salesman. He engages is profuse flattery when attempting to make a sale. The only way to get one side to unilaterally disarm is for the other side assure them that you are not a threat; that you are, in fact, a friend. That was his tactic. And as far as his experience goes, as I mentioned, there were 12 presidents who came before him with tons of political experience that had far less success with NK than he has had. LBJ had tons of political experience yet he had the most disastrous foreign policy in US history. And there are 58,000 names carved in a black granite wall to prove it.
 
Condor060 said:
Testing short range rockets was never part of any agreement. It never has been. He can test all the artillery and rockets he wants.

Try again.

How many short range rockets was he firing over Japan? Nada.
How many short range rockets will carry a nuclear warhead to the US? NADA
Trump stopped the testing inter continental ballistic missiles.

Nobody ever said anything about stopping short range battlefield rockets, jet aircraft, non nuclear bombs, guns, grenades, AAA, or anything else. Just ICBM's.

When he launches one of those, get back to me.
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rocket88 said:
Then it wasn't much of an agreement, was it?

Why do you want to make excuses for Kim?
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Indeed North Korea under the Kim Dynasty is the enemy of the United States. Kim Jung Un is absolutely the worst of 'em.

The United States currently has enemies foreign and domestic.

The circumstances the USA is in are radically negative and unprecedented so new and significant means of self defense are required. In other words, the national defense starts on the home front.
 
Fletch said:
First of all, you dont seem to know the difference between a lie and simply being wrong about something. Second, Trump is a salesman. He engages is profuse flattery when attempting to make a sale. The only way to get one side to unilaterally disarm is for the other side assure them that you are not a threat; that you are, in fact, a friend. That was his tactic. And as far as his experience goes, as I mentioned, there were 12 presidents who came before him with tons of political experience that had far less success with NK than he has had. LBJ had tons of political experience yet he had the most disastrous foreign policy in US history. And there are 58,000 names carved in a black granite wall to prove it.
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Trump was both wrong and he lied about his NK approach. If he left a deal being overly optimistic and misreading his subject, then he isn't a good salesperson. Trump got played by a better salesperson, Kim. Kim got way more out of the summit. And the fact that you are so eager to believe a constant liar, says a lot about you, your character, and how gullible you are. Trump is nothing more than a demagogue, and you believe in him, because you want to. It has nothing to do with the deliverability in anything he says. If you ever really believed he would build a wall, and make Mexico pay for you, then you're in need of a serious reality check.
 
rocket88 said:
Then it wasn't much of an agreement, was it?

Why do you want to make excuses for Kim?
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Who's making excuses? I'm just telling you what their agreement was. Not sure why you don't understand it. Kim was launching ICBM's over Japan. That isn't a good thing. Trump stepped in and told Kim this wasn't going to continue or the US was going to get involved in a way Kim doesn't want. He hasn't launched an ICBM since.
 
Condor060 said:
So where did you run too Snakestretcher? Oh, Did you just find out you didn't know the difference between an ICBM launch and a static ground test of a liquid-propellant rocket engine.
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See, there are these things called 'time zones' and 'lives'. I don't spend all my days and nights here; I have better things to do.
 
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Fletch said:
Seeing as how we have been in a state of war with NK since 1950, and the 12 presidents who came before Trump were able to accomplish nothing with regard to NK, not sure why everybody is attacking Trump. To his credit, Trump tried a different approach with KIm but that seems to have worked little better than the other approach. NK is a nuclear power so our options are limited. Personally, I think Trump failed because he continued with the demands of his predecessors. Trump should accept the obvious--that Kim has nukes and will not give them up-and tie sanctions relief to an improvement in NK human rights record.
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No, you are not in a "state of war" war with North Korea and you haven't been since July 27 1953. Do you understand what an 'armistice' is? It is South Korea which never signed the armistice agreement.

The Korean War Armistice Explained – DoDLive
 
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SheWolf said:
Trump was both wrong and he lied about his NK approach. If he left a deal being overly optimistic and misreading his subject, then he isn't a good salesperson. Trump got played by a better salesperson, Kim. Kim got way more out of the summit.
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Now thats just stupid and its not an original thought of yours. It just you repeating Trump hating nonsense you see on TV. It would be nice if just one of you libs were able to think for themselves.
And the fact that you are so eager to believe a constant liar, says a lot about you, your character, and how gullible you are.
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What is it I 'believe' him about here? You just refuse to allow yourself to see the facts. Here they are: Trump inherited a serious problem in NK. I am sure that a search of your posts would reveal that you were aping the left wing talking points then as well about how Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war. :roll: You were wrong then and are wrong now simply because your hatred for them man prevents you from thinking clearly. The situation with NK HAS improved under Trump but TDS prevents you from seeing it.
Trump is nothing more than a demagogue, and you believe in him, because you want to. It has nothing to do with the deliverability in anything he says. If you ever really believed he would build a wall, and make Mexico pay for you, then you're in need of a serious reality check.
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He isnt a demagogue, that just you, once again, simply parroting the crap you hear on TV. You were asked earlier what you think Trump should do with NK and you were unwilling/unable to answer. Do you know why that it? Because the people you listen to on TV havent told you what to think about that yet.. When they do, you will be here spreading your newfound expertise.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Lol...obama got an 8yr pass by dems while kim honed his nukes...now Trump is a failure 3 yrs in. Priceless bs! You should be rooting for Trump, its not like brits can do it. Obviously.
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See, we recognise an exercise in futility for what it is. Trump is too stupid to, and Kim is playing him like a pawn shop fiddle.
 
snakestretcher said:
See, we recognise an exercise in futility for what it is. Trump is too stupid to, and Kim is playing him like a pawn shop fiddle.
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Damn...do all brits roll over as easy as that? Apparently so according to you. Good to see lefties didn't reallyet care about nuclear disarmament.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Damn...do all brits roll over as easy as that? Apparently so according to you. Good to see lefties didn't reallyet care about nuclear disarmament.
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Unlike paranoid America we don't see every despot as an existential threat. If Trump want to continue wasting time with Kim I'm sure he'll be happy to accommodate him. When did America disarm? Oh, we threw your nukes and your bombers out of Britain; that's how much we don't care about disarmament.

US removes its nuclear arms from Britain | US news | The Guardian
 
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