Kim does it again!

[Tangmo]

It's a principle of strategic planning and decision making that not having any good options does not necessarily relieve civilian leaders and military commanders of exercising an option. It is their responsibility and obligation to create the most viable option possible and to act as they must.

Leaders and commanders together exercise the option that is the most practicable, ie, doable, the most effective and with the most reasonable cost-benefit component to attain the objective.

I would indeed like to see the half dozen or more default options Pentagon has on the table to choose among or from. Most default options would inherently involve diplomacy and that's for certain. Only diplomacy can bring it all together to a controlled conclusion.

 

[veritas1]

What are you babbling such nonsense about? Did I type UN? No. Jesus, learn to read before making spastic posts like this. SMH.

I typed Un. Not UN. You know, like Kim Jong Un. Quit being so triggered.

One is about as useful as the other.

 

[veritas1]

And yet Trump's campaign is based on his supporters largely being cowardly racists. Say, you're one of Trump's supporters. Do you think you know Trump's base better than Trump himself, are you just projecting?

I see you need to resort to wholesale character assassination like all the other raving Trump obsessed leftists. Nice smear of tens of millions of people. Watching you guys lose again is going to be fun, especially when Trump's black support goes WAY up.:mrgreen:

 

[Tangmo]

Option one-We could always take every former presidents approach and just pay Kim billions to not launch missiles while kicking the can down the road while he develops nuclear arms anyway.

Option two-Or we but a carrier fleet in their waters while flying bombers down their coast line and tell them if they launch another missile we will rein down upon them fire and fury like they have never seen, have Kim commit to denuclearize on paper which brings in the rest of the world to bear against him, impose sanctions against Kim and anyone who helps him, not pay him any more money, get our hostages released, while stopping ANY ICBM from being launched again.

Think I'll go with option two since option one has been used now for over 50 years with no result at all.

Perhaps sink a NK sub at sea when there's a missile launch by Pyongyang. Or force a NK sub to the surface and seize it.

Use a small international force of regional navy assets of, say, USA, SK, Canada, Australia, possibly Indonesia; silent intel support by Japan from Japan. The task force grouping would be small but significant, international, sudden, swift and so on. It would be a taking of NK life of sailors at sea and thus provocative but it would be away from the body of land that is the peninsula.

In other words, take to sea any and all punitive or preemptive actions against Kim and do it in a way that costs Kim and both embarrass Kim and humiliates him. Another possibility would be to force a NK sub to surface and then to seize it. In short, take some measure of military action which is the only thing Kim understands and do it at sea away from the populated and built up land area. The skies above the sea could come into play also.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No threat from North Korea? Kim continues ICBM testing while laughing behind Trump's back and making him look like an idiot, again. So much winning!:lol:

North Korea Is About To Blow Up Trump’s Supposed Top Foreign Policy Win – Mother Jones

Resumed North Korean ICBM Testing: Possible Technical Objectives | 38 North: Informed Analysis of North Korea

In fairness to Trump, he doesn’t need any help from anyone to look like an idiot.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The UN? The UN is a toothless tiger and platform for tinhorn tyrants to rant at the US. A more worthless organization could hardly be imagined.

Agreed, the UN no longer serves its original purpose of providing a gloss of respectability to the decisions of the US government concerning what other countries would, and would not, be allowed to do.

 

[veritas1]

Agreed, the UN no longer serves its original purpose of providing a gloss of respectability to the decisions of the US government concerning what other countries would, and would not, be allowed to do.

The idea of the UN was to hash out differences between nations and avoid wars. In that, it has completely failed.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yup. You simply cant reason with some of these libs. They are too far gone.

Agreed. Why if those Far-left Green Pinko Commie Liberals were in power we'd have things like

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happening and then everyone would be laughing at the (President of the ) United States of America.

That would be horrible.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Trump Cult has bizarre notions of what accomplish is and means.

Your graphics raise an interesting question, that being "Did the General salute Mr. Trump first?".

If the General did NOT salute Mr. Trump first (which one can imply by the fact that the General is NOT "holding the salute until returned") then Mr. Trump is "rendering a salute" - which is something that is done by an "inferior in rank" to a "superior in rank". Since the General is most definitely an "inferior in rank" to Mr. Kim then, if Mr. Trump saluted the General WITHOUT the General saluting him first, then the actual protocol of that action is that Mr. Trump (being "inferior in rank" to someone who is "inferior in rank" to Mr. Kim) is "inferior in rank" to Mr. Kim. The protocol (where the General does not salute the "Commander-in-Chief" of the US military first) also means that the General does not regard Mr. Trump as "equal in rank" (since the General's date of appointment preceded the date that Mr. Trump was sworn in as President of the United States of America).

Rendering a traditional greeting between equals (i.e. bowing to another head of state when in the country of that head of state and that is the traditional way of greeting someone who is your equal, but in whose "home" you happen to be) is one thing. Acknowledging that someone who is several levels down from even a "Cabinet level" position is your superior is quite another.

On the other hand, there is always the possibility that Mr. Trump simply didn't know how to behave in polite company.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Option one-We could always take every former presidents approach and just pay Kim billions to not launch missiles while kicking the can down the road while he develops nuclear arms anyway.

Well, you won't get any WORSE results.

Option two-Or we but a carrier fleet in their waters while flying bombers down their coast line and tell them if they launch another missile we will rein down upon them fire and fury like they have never seen, ...

And do what when they do launch another missile?

... have Kim commit to denuclearize on paper which brings in the rest of the world to bear against him, ...

In return for what (and using whose definition of "denuclearization")?

... impose sanctions against Kim and anyone who helps him, ...

Well, that's the traditional way of proceeding.

... not pay him any more money, ...

When you aren't giving someone any money at all, threatening to not give them any money doesn't actually seem like much of a threat to them - does it?

... get our hostages released, ...

What hostages?

... while stopping ANY ICBM from being launched again.

By doing what, nuking the DPRK?

Think I'll go with option two since option one has been used now for over 50 years with no result at all.

Yes, opting for a course of action that has no likelihood of success and is guaranteed to potentially result in millions of deaths is always the better option to the course of action that has no likelihood of success and is not likely to result in millions of deaths - isn't it?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The idea of the UN was to hash out differences between nations and avoid wars. In that, it has completely failed.

No, that was the idea behind the League of Nations and it failed because the US decided that it didn't want to participate.

The structure and function of the UN was (almost exclusively) dictated by the US government and it was intended to allow "hashing out" right up until the US government said what it wanted done.

Strangely enough, the government of Iraq under Saddam Hussein functioned in almost exactly the same manner.

 

[TheParser]

I am so tired of hearing about that little dude.

He knows that if he attacks the United States of America, the country that his father and grandfather built will be reduced to a parking lot. So let's forget him.

Hopefully President Trump in his second term (fingers crossed!) will find another bromance.

 

[snakestretcher]

Option one-We could always take every former presidents approach and just pay Kim billions to not launch missiles while kicking the can down the road while he develops nuclear arms anyway.

Option two-Or we but a carrier fleet in their waters while flying bombers down their coast line and tell them if they launch another missile we will rein down upon them fire and fury like they have never seen, have Kim commit to denuclearize on paper which brings in the rest of the world to bear against him, impose sanctions against Kim and anyone who helps him, not pay him any more money, get our hostages released, while stopping ANY ICBM from being launched again.

Think I'll go with option two since option one has been used now for over 50 years with no result at all.

Kim isn't the sort of leader to be frightened by US threats. Remember, North Korea is a nuclear power. What do you think they'd do if attacked, bend over?

 

[Tangmo]

Your graphics raise an interesting question, that being "Did the General salute Mr. Trump first?".

If the General did NOT salute Mr. Trump first (which one can imply by the fact that the General is NOT "holding the salute until returned") then Mr. Trump is "rendering a salute" - which is something that is done by an "inferior in rank" to a "superior in rank". Since the General is most definitely an "inferior in rank" to Mr. Kim then, if Mr. Trump saluted the General WITHOUT the General saluting him first, then the actual protocol of that action is that Mr. Trump (being "inferior in rank" to someone who is "inferior in rank" to Mr. Kim) is "inferior in rank" to Mr. Kim. The protocol (where the General does not salute the "Commander-in-Chief" of the US military first) also means that the General does not regard Mr. Trump as "equal in rank" (since the General's date of appointment preceded the date that Mr. Trump was sworn in as President of the United States of America).

Rendering a traditional greeting between equals (i.e. bowing to another head of state when in the country of that head of state and that is the traditional way of greeting someone who is your equal, but in whose "home" you happen to be) is one thing. Acknowledging that someone who is several levels down from even a "Cabinet level" position is your superior is quite another.

On the other hand, there is always the possibility that Mr. Trump simply didn't know how to behave in polite company.

If you had the research capability to locate the video and view it you could have possibly saved yourself a lot of blah blah blah about military saluting and courtesy. I spent 4 years in jr Rotc, 4 years in uni Rotc and 4 years in the Army in Washington DC with it yet I saw no point in conducting a lecture about it in the context of the thread. I skimmed your post (rapidly indeed) once I saw the first line of the self indulgent post thx anyway. It matters not who saluted whom first or who returned a salute because the people in the photo are morons carrying on as asshats which is my point in posting the images and also in replying to your exactly the same post.

 

[Condor060]

Kim isn't the sort of leader to be frightened by US threats. Remember, North Korea is a nuclear power. What do you think they'd do if attacked, bend over?

Well, for someone who isn't frightened, He sure stopped launching ICBM's and we didn't pay him a cent. Unlike Obama pouring millions into Kim's account to make nicey nice.

 

[Fletch]

Having Trump as Potus the past three years has precluded any possibility of any alternative course of action that isn't Trump's buffoonery.

I remind the Putin-Trump Rowers: Cometh the Hour Cometh the Man.

Yet all we get instead is Caligula.

Yeah I saw that the first time. It only got dumber by repeating it.

 

[SheWolf]

OK, so what is your recommended US and/or allied course of action to stop this ICBM testing?

Well, I wouldn't go for another summit and lie about freeing the world from the threat of a nuclear NK. I mean, really, when are Trump supporters ever going to be offended by Trump's lying?

 

[Condor060]

Well, you won't get any WORSE results.

And do what when they do launch another missile?

In return for what (and using whose definition of "denuclearization")?

Well, that's the traditional way of proceeding.

When you aren't giving someone any money at all, threatening to not give them any money doesn't actually seem like much of a threat to them - does it?

What hostages?

By doing what, nuking the DPRK?

Yes, opting for a course of action that has no likelihood of success and is guaranteed to potentially result in millions of deaths is always the better option to the course of action that has no likelihood of success and is not likely to result in millions of deaths - isn't it?

I take it you're not much up on current events, are ya.

Kim stopped launching ICBM's when he found out the US Navy was at his back door and bombers were flying down his coast right after Syria. What, did you think it a coincidence?

Hint #2, We don't pay Kim hundreds of millions anymore to get what we want. Did you think that was a coincidence as well?

And you know nothing about Tony Kim, Kim Hak-song, or Kim Dong-chul, the 3 Americans released to Trump by Kim in May of 2018?

THose are the actual facts of the situation with NK. Your speculations of whats to come have no meaning at all.

 

[Tangmo]

Zzzzzzzz.

Yeah I saw that the first time. It only got dumber by repeating it.

You had no response the first time when it was part of a fuller post that blew away all of your fly by night posts that are exemplified by the intellectually airborne nocturnal post we see yet again. The first time your only response was snoring. In Thailand I visited the statue of the Sleeping Buddha and now I've seen the vacuous post of the Snoring Right Winger. The Snoring Right Winger you are has nothing to say that is worthwhile and of substance. Indeed, all you can do is to accuse every poster of hate. This is because you have zero defense of Trump who is indefensible and whom you love. You're a Putin-Trump Rower to the end coming soon.

 

[Fletch]

You had no response the first time when it was part of a fuller post that blew away all of your fly by night posts that are exemplified by the intellectually airborne nocturnal post we see yet again. The first time your only response was snoring. In Thailand I visited the statue of the Sleeping Buddha and now I've seen the vacuous post of the Snoring Right Winger. The Snoring Right Winger you are has nothing to say that is worthwhile and of substance. Indeed, all you can do is to accuse every poster of hate. This is because you have zero defense of Trump who is indefensible and whom you love. You're a Putin-Trump Rower to the end coming soon.

Zzzzzzzzzz

 

[Fletch]

Well, I wouldn't go for another summit and lie about freeing the world from the threat of a nuclear NK. I mean, really, when are Trump supporters ever going to be offended by Trump's lying?

You didnt answer the question

 

[snakestretcher]

Well, for someone who isn't frightened, He sure stopped launching ICBM's and we didn't pay him a cent. Unlike Obama pouring millions into Kim's account to make nicey nice.

Kim is continuing to test launch ICBM. He hasn't stopped anything. What did you think this thread was about?:roll:

Resumed North Korean ICBM Testing: Possible Technical Objectives | 38 North: Informed Analysis of North Korea

Kim is playing Trump like a cheap fiddle, and Trump is too stupid to figure it out.

 

[AlphaOmega]

Kim is continuing to test launch ICBM. He hasn't stopped anything. What did you think this thread was about?:roll:

Resumed North Korean ICBM Testing: Possible Technical Objectives | 38 North: Informed Analysis of North Korea

Kim is playing Trump like a cheap fiddle, and Trump is too stupid to figure it out.

Obama had 8 years to do this...he made it worse. Lefties sat there and said nothing while they golf clapped for him. Trump hasn't even finished his first term yet and lefties are faux outraged. Spare us. If anyone thinks disarming a nuclear equipped nation was going to happen in the first few meetings then you are simply on the lower end of intelligence.

 

[snakestretcher]

Obama had 8 years to do this...he made it worse. Lefties sat there and said nothing while they golf clapped for him. Trump hasn't even finished his first term yet and lefties are faux outraged. Spare us. If anyone thinks disarming a nuclear equipped nation was going to happen in the first few meetings then you are simply on the lower end of intelligence.

It's not going to happen. Why? Because Kim has no incentive to make it happen, and he won't. He laughs in Trump's face, and with good reason. America can't do squat about it. Oh, and please stop the attempts at infantile insults; you're wasting your time. I'm immune to anonymous yanks.

 

[AlphaOmega]

It's not going to happen. Why? Because Kim has no incentive to make it happen, and he won't. He laughs in Trump's face, and with good reason. America can't do squat about it. Oh, and please stop the attempts at infantile insults; you're wasting your time. I'm immune to anonymous yanks.

Kim has every incentive...it's just a matter of how much he can get which is exactly what this is about. If obama did what Trump did you would have given him a Nobe........oh wait they gave him one for no reason at all. Like I said...unless you have at least one post criticizing Obama for inaction against NK...spare us the Trump outrage.