Kill Jews, Get Your Own State

[SCrider]

Is Israel any better than Hamas?

No, the government of Israel is a criminal organization lead by a crime boss.

 

[TangoNoCash]

That shouldn't cause anti semitism. Cynically saying THE JEWS every few minutes as protection against genoicde charges is anti semitic.

It’s crazy to me to see Israel actively providing provocative hate red meat for white supremacists.

 

[The Brad Dad]

It’s crazy to me to see Israel actively providing provocative hate red meat for white supremacists.

It's Bibi. Imagine a smart version of the bottomless soulless asshole like Trump.

 

[Allan]

A two-state solution is the only long term answer. But trying to punish Israel by "recognizing Palestine" right now is a meaningless feel-good measure that isn't going to accomplish anything. What does it even mean to recognize the existence of a country that has no potential governing body, no way to enforce borders assigned to it by Western countries, etc.

The recognition (in Canada's case) comes with conditions. If the conditions aren't met recognition can be withdrawn.

As for "meaningless feel-good" the international pressure has shamed Israel into (at least stating) they'll improve aid distribution.

 

[Mr Person]

Is Israel any better than Hamas?

Now that is a truly insane and evil statement. Then again, it's been a while since I expected any honest description of the situation from people on the left I used to think were capable of nuance.

Now they're behaving just like the people they criticize in other areas.

What an anti semitic article and headline.

Anti-semitic headline? It's their description of what a Hamas leader said.

That’s the only way to interpret comments Saturday by Hamas Politburo member Ghazi Hamad on Al Jazeera. “The powerful blow that was delivered to Israel on Oct. 7 has yielded three very important historic achievements. First of all, it brought the Palestinian cause back. Why are all these countries recognizing Palestine now?” he asked.​

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Good question. “The overall outcome of Oct. 7,” Mr. Hamad continued, “forced the world to open its eyes to the Palestinian cause, and to act forcefully in this respect.”​

"anti-semitic"...

Then again, you people have thoroughly demonstrated that words have absolutely no meaning anymore. Your hatred of Israel is just as idiotically blind as MAGA's hatred of Palestinians.

 

[TangoNoCash]

It's Bibi. Imagine a smart version of the bottomless soulless asshole like Trump.

It’s sad to see people's like Nick Fuentes on the moral side of this issue and using it to garner further support for their hateful agenda.

 

[Allan]

It’s crazy to me to see Israel actively providing provocative hate red meat for white supremacists.

Do they even care about their international reputation? If they can wave off any criticisms as antisemitism or pro-Hamas they're presenting themselves as victims even as they starve and shoot innocent children.

 

[The Brad Dad]

It’s sad to see people's like Nick Fuentes on the moral side of this issue and using it to garner further support for their hateful agenda.

Eh. **** Nick Fuentes. it's pathetic the GOP has mainstreamed nazis in this country.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Now that is a truly insane and evil statement.

Why? What did Hamas do on Oct 7 that is any different than what Israel has been, is doing to this day? It's a comment on choices made by those in power of that government.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Except where it counts. He is supporting Israel in foreign policy, unlike the previous administration.

There have been no administrations that haven't supported Israel in decades, and even when this country was skittish about it, there was still some kind of support.

 

[Mr Person]

Why? What did Hamas do on Oct 7 that is any different than what Israel has been, is doing to this day? It's a comment on choices made by those in power of that government.

Read the rest of the post you responded to, then go back and read #73.

Other than that, I'm not interested in watching people get high on their own sense of moral superiority. The blind anti-Israel stance of the bulk of the left is just as ugly as the blind anti-Palestininan stance of the right. And you're both concerned more with being seen as being moral crusaders than addressing the actual cluster**** of a situation.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Read the rest of the post you responded to, then go back and read #73.

Other than that, I'm not interested in watching people get high on their own sense of moral superiority. The blind anti-Israel stance of the bulk of the left is just as ugly as the blind anti-Palestininan stance of the right. And you're both concerned more with being seen as being moral crusaders than addressing the actual cluster**** of a situation.

I am posting anonymously to a message board in which zero people know me and I don't know them. If anyone is virtue signaling, it's the folks babbling about what a "tragedy" it all is while ignoring what has made it a tragedy. IT's a word. Rhymes with genocide.

 

[The Brad Dad]

There have been no administrations that haven't supported Israel in decades, and even when this country was skittish about it, there was still some kind of support.

Really! The **** is that even about? When has Israel not gotten billions in resources and weapons from every American administration? This is like the gun folks insist their rights are under attack when nothing has happened to gun rights forever.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Really! The **** is that even about? When has Israel not gotten billions in resources and weapons from every American administration? This is like the gun folks insist their rights are under attack when nothing has happened to gun rights forever.

The kind of support we're used to seeing didn't really start until after the Yom Kippur War. In Israel's early days most of the support was economic aid. The US State Department was initially against the idea of recognizing Israel as a state because of the potential conflict it would cause and those impacts to US oil interests.

 

[multivita-man]

Colonizing on behalf of Donald "we'll just take it" Trump so he can build golf resorts.

There are a few examples in history where a colonizer set out to completely eliminate an indigenous population.

That this could be taking place today at the hands of two advanced democracies is unbelievable to me. We're witnessing in real time one of the greatest crimes against humanity of our lifetimes.

In terms of numbers, it might not eclipse the Rwandan or the former Yugoslavian massacres, but we're not really done yet. It's an ongoing situation. As you say, two of the world's most important democracies and modernized nations are its perpetrators. Don't think for a moment that Russia and China won't use this as fodder for displacing the U.S. in Africa and perhaps even in the Americas. Good luck with procuring the supplies we need for renewables and military technologies, I guess. Our policies are both literally homicidal and geopolitically suicidal at the same time.

 

[NatMorton]

And that's the central idiocy and ugly dishonesty at the heart of both your/MAGA and the bulk of the left's view of the situation.

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Why it's almost like people are more interested in feeling morally superior than addressing the actual cluster**** of a situation over there.

Your tired, hypocritical act comes into clear focus when you look at just the first and last sentences of your post.

 

[Deuce]

The first few passages from an editorial in today's WSJ (source: paywall) entitled "Kill Jews, Get Your Own State:"



Either one supports Hamas's efforts or one does not. There is no middle ground.

Israel kills arabs and expands their territory. But it's different, because those people deserve it?

 

[Deuce]

The point the WSJ is making is that Hamas believes Oct 7 did that.

Some people think the earth is flat, who gives a shit?

 

[OrphanSlug]

I've never seen a topic crash and burn so quickly.

Because the OP, who claims otherwise, is dragging to the forums a FoxNews talking point Israel is telling to willing audiences. That they must continue to eradicate Hamas even if it means additional loss of life for others in Gaza and eventual full occupation of whatever is left, and whoever is left alive, in Gaza.

The reality is Netanyahu’s government is united on taking Gaza but entirely sure how to retrieve the hostages they think are still there plus deal with whatever Hamas has left behind.

So the fallback is a sales pitch on why the real goal is to "resettle" all of Gaza, meaning everyone has to go or be killed for Israel to be happy. Hamas or not. So the sales pitch is Gaza cannot be recognized as part of Palestine entirely because of Hamas, exactly as the OP regurgitated here, but the truth is Gaza in their hands entirely is the goal.

The whole thing is a shit show level mess but Israel is a participant in that, the wholesale killing of just about anyone they can target has enough nations no longer interested in the pitch Israel is trying to make.

Faux on the other hand...

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Not supporting Israel starving and killing Palestinians is not anti Semitic.

 

[multivita-man]

The reality is Netanyahu’s government is united on taking Gaza but entirely sure how to retrieve the hostages they think are still there plus deal with whatever Hamas has left behind.

I doubt they give a drop of ant piss about the hostages. That's why the families are so pissed, because they get it now. This is about cementing Bibi's place in Zionist history and solidifying his grip on power. The hostages are a gambit used to justify continued bombing in Gaza and escalating aggression with Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. The hostages are obviously a tool for Hamas, too, but if this can be believed, Hamas is actually engendering more sympathy for abducting and keeping (and killing) civilians than Israel is for their response, and it's not because the world's gone mad. It's because the world is finally seeing the mask come off of Israel.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

The first few passages from an editorial in today's WSJ (source: paywall) entitled "Kill Jews, Get Your Own State:"



Either one supports Hamas's efforts or one does not. There is no middle ground.

^^^

Hamas is a piker as to murderous terrorism compared with the/?your crazed, vicious, ethno-state Zionists...

 

[Questerr]

The first few passages from an editorial in today's WSJ (source: paywall) entitled "Kill Jews, Get Your Own State:"



Either one supports Hamas's efforts or one does not. There is no middle ground.

In 1947, you could have made a headline saying “Kill Christians and Muslims, get your own state” about the Jewish Irgun/Haganah groups in Palestine.

Does that mean that if you supported the existence of Israel, you supported the terrorist attacks conducted by Jewish militant groups?

 

[OrphanSlug]

I doubt they give a drop of ant piss about the hostages. That's why the families are so pissed, because they get it now. This is about cementing Bibi's place in Zionist history and solidifying his grip on power. The hostages are a gambit used to justify continued bombing in Gaza and escalating aggression with Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. The hostages are obviously a tool for Hamas, too, but if this can be believed, Hamas is actually engendering more sympathy for abducting and keeping (and killing) civilians than Israel is for their response, and it's not because the world's gone mad. It's because the world is finally seeing the mask come off of Israel.

All very possible, fueling outrage fuels their desire to control all of Gaza.

... and it fuels the argument we are dealing with in this thread.

 

[Questerr]

Colonize, occupy, brutalize, oppress, murder, genocide, violate international law, war with neighbors, do blatant, racist apartheid, develop rogue nuclear program for 80 years, deny basic human rights and dignity to the indigenous, then cry about consequences.

Right wingers take the side of evil, tyranny, and injustice every goddamn time while telling us they're for "freedom" lmao. "Freedom" in the eyes of right winger has always just meant white supremacy in one form or another.

If we lived during slavery times you'd cry about the injustice of slaves murdering their owners.

Conservatives still do. Look at the shit they say about Haiti anytime it comes up in the news.